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The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by communis... - 8/20/2008 2:21:08 AM
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ManimalX
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Investors Business Daily has been doing an in-depth look at Barack Hussein Obama Jr's history and exposing exactly how radical left and socialist he really is.
The whole series can be found at ibdeditorials.com
The latest installment is called "Like Father, Like Son" and focuses on exactly how influential Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was in his son's life, and how similar Jr's economic plan is to the one his communist father tried to destroy Kenya with in the late 1960s.
The article can be found here: http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=303952499910291
Here are some excerpts:
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Obama Sr. described his own economic plan, his counterproposal, as it were, as "scientific socialism — inter alia — communism." Yes, Obama's father was a communist who wanted to put socialist theory into action — by "force."
He trusted the collective over the individual, a theme he successfully instilled in his son, also Harvard-educated, with whom he visited once for a full month in Hawaii, even speaking to his prep school class. He kept up correspondence with his son through his college years. (Media accounts portray Obama's father as being completely out of his life after leaving his mother and him at age 2. But Obama's first book, "Dreams From My Father," reveals that he remained an influential force in his life. Obama's first autobiography was devoted to "my father.")
And the closing paragraph:
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The two sons have much in common. However, the son who would lead the U.S. learned from his father's mistakes and keeps his "mouth shut." Obama learned that revealing his real beliefs can jeopardize his quest for the power needed to put his "redistribution" plans into action.
I just don't understand why Obama is not laughed off of the public stage when his Marxist tendencies and the low view in which he holds America are so transparent.
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 4:20:19 AM
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I just don't understand why Obama is not laughed off of the public stage when his Marxist tendencies and the low view in which he holds America are so transparent.
The rest of us wicked, ignorant imbeciles just aren't as godly, insightful and intelligent as you. We depend on superior beings like yourself to enlighten us daily. Thank you.
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 4:51:23 AM
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This is absurd.
For one, most of Obama's proposals are merely just reversions back from the Bush tax cuts.
But even if Obama gets his way 100% on all of his tax proposals, the rates he's proposing in most cases it would still be less than the tax rates in the 1990s.
So if Obama's plan constitutes socialism, I guess that means we were living in a socialist state back in 1995?
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 9:24:44 AM
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For one, most of Obama's proposals are merely just reversions back from the Bush tax cuts.
I always chuckle when Republican partisans point at the looming 2010 lapse of the Bush tax cuts as somehow a "Democratic tax increase".
The tax increase - if you care to define the 2010 change as an 'increase' when it is actually merely a reversion to status quo ante - is EXACTLY THE LEGISLATION WHICH BUSH AND THE REPUBLICAN-CONTROLLED CONGRESS created - it is THEIR legislation, THEIR decision, and THEIR tax increase.
Trying to pin the current economy, and especially the 2010 tax rate reversion, on Democrats, is simple irresponsibility and delibrate falsehood.
Part of me hopes that McCain wins the Presidency because then it would be a matter of a GOP President forced to clean up the mess created by his predecessor GOP President and for which McCain himself voted as a GOP legislator.
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 9:26:06 AM
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I always chuckle when Republican partisans point at the looming 2010 lapse of the Bush tax cuts as somehow a "Democratic tax increase".
Um, if tax rates are lowered, and then raised again, then it is a matter of "raising taxes"....sorry about that.... 
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 10:02:38 AM
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ummm... i don't think he was confirming...
of course the GOP would love to be in office and congress and continue the tax cuts...
hey swede, i have noticed another trend of your last sentence being to the tune of slamming your opponent (silly anyway because we shouldn't be opponents, rather brothers and sisters in Christ), rather than argument...could you please show people respect instead of acting in apparent condescention??? thanks...
this will add some credibility on your end...
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 10:18:53 AM
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So just completely ignore Obama's desire to redistribute wealth? In other words, Obama's socialist desire to take money from those who actually earned it and give it to those who didn't? Obama Jr's economic plan is on par with his father's communist economic plan.
Second, the Bush tax cuts helped create the vibrant economy we have all been enjoying for the last several years, as well as contributing to the repeated low monthly jobless rates we have seen. Now that we are recovering from the slowdown of the last year or so, the worst thing would be to let the tax cuts expire.
If anyone here knows anything about economics, you will know that there is a tax rate sweet spot: raise taxes too high and government revenue actually goes down, lower taxes too much and it does the same. There is not a hard formula for this, as the actual amount of "perfect" tax rate changes on a daily basis, but the general rule is a proven one. Now is not the time to let the tax rate increase.
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 10:23:51 AM
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I just don't understand why Obama is not laughed off of the public stage when his Marxist tendencies and the low view in which he holds America are so transparent.
The rest of us wicked, ignorant imbeciles just aren't as godly, insightful and intelligent as you. We depend on superior beings like yourself to enlighten us daily. Thank you.
My friend.
- Julius
Sweet! My first groupie!
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 10:28:20 AM
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ummm... i don't think he was confirming...
of course the GOP would love to be in office and congress and continue the tax cuts...
hey swede, i have noticed another trend of your last sentence being to the tune of slamming your opponent (silly anyway because we shouldn't be opponents, rather brothers and sisters in Christ), rather than argument...could you please show people respect instead of acting in apparent condescention??? thanks...
this will add some credibility on your end...
"Thanks" is slamming?
Might want to look up the definition of the term, I think you misunderstand it.
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 10:28:45 AM
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ManimalX
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LOL
This is absurd.
For one, most of Obama's proposals are merely just reversions back from the Bush tax cuts.
But even if Obama gets his way 100% on all of his tax proposals, the rates he's proposing in most cases it would still be less than the tax rates in the 1990s.
So if Obama's plan constitutes socialism, I guess that means we were living in a socialist state back in 1995?
It isn't ONLY about tax rate, though Obama WILL have to do something to pay for the outrageous spending he proposes. It is also about something such as contributing the continuance of the failed welfare system and taking moeny from those who rightfully earned it and giving it to those who didn't (i.e. robbing money from Oil companies to give $1000 to Americans who didn't earn it).
By the way, do you hear that sound? It is the sound of the air coming out of the Obama balloon. McCain is up 5 points in today's Zogby.
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 11:04:40 AM
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So just completely ignore Obama's desire to redistribute wealth? In other words, Obama's socialist desire to take money from those who actually earned it and give it to those who didn't?
Sounds like help the poor to me, which so many Christians don't get from the Bible! Which is hard to ignore since it says it maybe 1000 times!
Alot of rich have earned by oppressing the poor, especially in other countries.
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Second, the Bush tax cuts helped create the vibrant economy we have all been enjoying for the last several years, as well as contributing to the repeated low monthly jobless rates we have seen. Now that we are recovering from the slowdown of the last year or so, the worst thing would be to let the tax cuts expire.
How can it be a good economy if we borrowed 6 trillion? If all my bills are paid but I owe my sister 10,000 for paying them, that is not good to me.
People are losing houses, jobs, etc but it is vibrant? Where? Also one thing the unemployment people do is they don't count those who didnt find a job within the time given. They no longer get unempolyment benefits and are no longer counted as part of the rolls. And those who have never gotten unemployment are not counted. The jobless rate is much higher!
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 11:07:10 AM
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Is these (bleep) there, the insurance companies!
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You can call it single-payer or Canadian way
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 11:09:14 AM
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ORIGINAL: tracydolls
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So just completely ignore Obama's desire to redistribute wealth? In other words, Obama's socialist desire to take money from those who actually earned it and give it to those who didn't?
Sounds like help the poor to me, which so many Christians don't get from the Bible! Which is hard to ignore since it says it maybe 1000 times!
Alot of rich have earned by oppressing the poor, especially in other countries.
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Second, the Bush tax cuts helped create the vibrant economy we have all been enjoying for the last several years, as well as contributing to the repeated low monthly jobless rates we have seen. Now that we are recovering from the slowdown of the last year or so, the worst thing would be to let the tax cuts expire.
How can it be a good economy if we borrowed 6 trillion? If all my bills are paid but I owe my sister 10,000 for paying them, that is not good to me.
People are losing houses, jobs, etc but it is vibrant? Where? Also one thing the unemployment people do is they don't count those who didnt find a job within the time given. They no longer get unempolyment benefits and are no longer counted as part of the rolls. And those who have never gotten unemployment are not counted. The jobless rate is much higher!
We had a fellow over on the Bad-Yahoo message Boards who frequently asserted that one can become a millionaire by borrowing - and spending - a million dollars.
He was, and is, dead serious about it, too.
I mention this only because that seems to be the general mindset in Washington, and has been especially bad, record-breaking bad, for the past seven budgets.
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 11:45:18 AM
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ummm... i don't think he was confirming...
of course the GOP would love to be in office and congress and continue the tax cuts...
hey swede, i have noticed another trend of your last sentence being to the tune of slamming your opponent (silly anyway because we shouldn't be opponents, rather brothers and sisters in Christ), rather than argument...could you please show people respect instead of acting in apparent condescention??? thanks...
this will add some credibility on your end...
"Thanks" is slamming?
Might want to look up the definition of the term, I think you misunderstand it.
uh...notice how i used the word "trend"...you might not want to overlook this...
once again, please show respect to other users on this forum...thanks...
if you are not able to understand this, then you are probably outside of help on this issue...
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 1:01:03 PM
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ORIGINAL: ManimalX
Investors Business Daily has been doing an in-depth look at Barack Hussein Obama Jr's history and exposing exactly how radical left and socialist he really is.
The whole series can be found at ibdeditorials.com
The latest installment is called "Like Father, Like Son" and focuses on exactly how influential Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was in his son's life, and how similar Jr's economic plan is to the one his communist father tried to destroy Kenya with in the late 1960s.
The article can be found here: http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=303952499910291
Here are some excerpts:
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Obama Sr. described his own economic plan, his counterproposal, as it were, as "scientific socialism — inter alia — communism." Yes, Obama's father was a communist who wanted to put socialist theory into action — by "force."
He trusted the collective over the individual, a theme he successfully instilled in his son, also Harvard-educated, with whom he visited once for a full month in Hawaii, even speaking to his prep school class. He kept up correspondence with his son through his college years. (Media accounts portray Obama's father as being completely out of his life after leaving his mother and him at age 2. But Obama's first book, "Dreams From My Father," reveals that he remained an influential force in his life. Obama's first autobiography was devoted to "my father.")
And the closing paragraph:
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The two sons have much in common. However, the son who would lead the U.S. learned from his father's mistakes and keeps his "mouth shut." Obama learned that revealing his real beliefs can jeopardize his quest for the power needed to put his "redistribution" plans into action.
I just don't understand why Obama is not laughed off of the public stage when his Marxist tendencies and the low view in which he holds America are so transparent.
First, this is not a "report", but an editorial.
Second, it probably spins from an agenda by the author.
Third, Obama's father was a liberal, but to use Kenya to compare with the U.S. is illogical and dishonest.
Omwami says he would instead refer to the elder Obama as “a liberal person who believed in market forces but understood its limitations.” Sessional Paper No. 10 centered on the new control of Kenya’s resources, promoting a form of trickle-down economics in which financial aid would be consolidated in more populated areas with the hope that positive effects would eventually be felt by smaller villages. Obama senior argued against this notion, and Omwami suggests history has proven him correct since most, if not all, small communities in Kenya have yet to benefit from monies that poured into larger cities since the nation’s independence four decades ago. The elder Obama also looked ahead to what has become a shaping force across Africa — urbanization — arguing that the government’s efforts to lure citizens back to the land were futile. “If these people come out in search of work, it is because they cannot make a living out of whatever land they have had,” he wrote. In retrospect, it was one of several warnings in the paper that would prove true.
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 2:57:59 PM
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Sounds like help the poor to me, which so many Christians don't get from the Bible! Which is hard to ignore since it says it maybe 1000 times!
Let not forget that there are a couple of cvaeats with the feed the poor stuff;
(2Th 3:10) For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
And that the poor will be an ongoing problem; that will not be solved by any socialistic program;
(Mat 26:11) For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
Thanks
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 7:01:20 PM
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ManimalX
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ORIGINAL: tracydolls
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So just completely ignore Obama's desire to redistribute wealth? In other words, Obama's socialist desire to take money from those who actually earned it and give it to those who didn't?
Sounds like help the poor to me, which so many Christians don't get from the Bible! Which is hard to ignore since it says it maybe 1000 times!
The Bible never teaches government initiated redistribution of wealth from those who earned it to those who didn't. The Bible teaches to have compassion for the poor, the oppressed, the widow, the orphan, but it does not teach welfare. The Bible's teaching on the matter could be summed up by the old adage about teaching a man to fish rather than giving him fish (for example, the command to leave the corners of fields when harvesting so that the poor could harvest some crops for themselves). Obama's plan is more akin to forcibly taking fish from the other fishermen to give to those who have no desire to learn how to fish. That is a perverted method of fighting poverty and caring for the poor.
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Alot of rich have earned by oppressing the poor, especially in other countries.
And that is wrong. However, it is incorrect to say that since some people oppress others in their pursuit of wealth that ALL people who become wealthy have done so in some dastardly way.
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People are losing houses, jobs, etc but it is vibrant? Where? Also one thing the unemployment people do is they don't count those who didnt find a job within the time given. They no longer get unempolyment benefits and are no longer counted as part of the rolls. And those who have never gotten unemployment are not counted. The jobless rate is much higher!
The people who are losing homes are either people who were trying to get rich buying and flipping houses with ARM loans and lost the gamble, people who were living above their means, or people who didn't do their due diligence regarding types of loans. That being said, the percentage of forclosures was still pretty small, overblown by the liberal media who loves a good "crisis".
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 8:32:57 PM
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what a joke.
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RE: The Audacity of Socialism: Obama influenced by comm... - 8/20/2008 8:48:05 PM
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