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War in Iraq - 7/28/2005 9:39:52 AM
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Goodwill
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Are you for it or against it....what is your opinion about the war? do you think we went in with the right intensions? Discuss recent developments and your opinions.
just curious...and please lets remember that we are all (supposed to be) christians here so lets handle our selves like so...I love debate but hate arguing 
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/28/2005 1:02:48 PM
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Click here to see Sadams history as a ruler
take a look at that and tell me what you think about us leaving him in power
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/28/2005 1:08:39 PM
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quote:
"One way or the other, we are determined to
deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass
destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That
is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use
force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously
diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what
happens there matters a great deal here. For the
risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use
nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us
or our allies is the greatest security threat we
face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction
again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"We urge you, after consulting with Congress,
and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws,
to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect
Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat
posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass
destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI),
Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry ( D - MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the
development of weapons of mass destruction
technology which is a threat to countries in the
region and he has made a mockery of the weapons
inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on
building weapons of mass destruction and palaces
for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that .. Saddam Hussein has
invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate
that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War
status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine
delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of
a licit missile program to develop longer-range
missiles that will threaten the United States and
our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob
Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam
Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and
stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate
of the United Nations and is building weapons of
mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of
biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction
has proven impossible to deter and we should assume
that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam
Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in
October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam
Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked
on a crash course to build up his chemical and
biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence
reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear
weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President! of
the United States the authority to use force-- if
necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I
believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass
destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat
to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam
Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear
weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within
the next five years ... We also should remember we
have always underestimated the progress Saddam has
made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the
course of the past 11 years, every significant UN
resolution that has demanded that he disarm and
destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any
nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left,
intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has
worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapon
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and
sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam
Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to
wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep
trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be
compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has
had for a number of years, a developing capacity for
the production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec.! 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam
Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading
an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly
grievous threat because he is so consistently prone
to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating
America's response to his continued deceit and his
consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction...
So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
So now these same democrats say that bush lied to us and there never were any wmd's and that he took us to war for nothing.
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/28/2005 7:39:36 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Goodwill
please lets remember that we are all (supposed to be) christians here so lets handle our selves like so...
This is a christian web site, true, but not all here are christians - I am not a christian and no where did it say I am suppose to be one to participate here - obey the TOS/Rules is the requirement.
anyhoos, I support the President's decision to go into Iraq, I supported it when we went in and I still support today. I wish the mission was completed and we can come home but its not and we are still there but I still support the President. I hurt every time I see and hear on TV a death of a US soldier but that comes from being a former Sergeant in the Army.
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/28/2005 7:40:51 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Goodwill
quote:
"One way or the other, we are determined to
deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass
destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That
is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use
force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously
diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what
happens there matters a great deal here. For the
risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use
nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us
or our allies is the greatest security threat we
face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction
again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"We urge you, after consulting with Congress,
and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws,
to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect
Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat
posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass
destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI),
Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry ( D - MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the
development of weapons of mass destruction
technology which is a threat to countries in the
region and he has made a mockery of the weapons
inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on
building weapons of mass destruction and palaces
for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that .. Saddam Hussein has
invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate
that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War
status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine
delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of
a licit missile program to develop longer-range
missiles that will threaten the United States and
our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob
Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam
Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and
stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate
of the United Nations and is building weapons of
mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of
biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction
has proven impossible to deter and we should assume
that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam
Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in
October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam
Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked
on a crash course to build up his chemical and
biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence
reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear
weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President! of
the United States the authority to use force-- if
necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I
believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass
destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat
to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam
Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear
weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within
the next five years ... We also should remember we
have always underestimated the progress Saddam has
made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the
course of the past 11 years, every significant UN
resolution that has demanded that he disarm and
destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any
nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left,
intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has
worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapon
stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and
sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam
Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to
wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep
trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be
compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has
had for a number of years, a developing capacity for
the production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec.! 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam
Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading
an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly
grievous threat because he is so consistently prone
to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating
America's response to his continued deceit and his
consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction...
So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
So now these same democrats say that bush lied to us and there never were any wmd's and that he took us to war for nothing.
Good post! hard to argue the quotes!!
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/29/2005 9:44:31 AM
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Goodwill
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sorry about the christian post maybe I should have said that we are all supposed to be well behaved..lol...JO i didnt know you werent a christian....
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/29/2005 9:52:45 AM
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Well i expected more anti war liberal remarks but I guess not....
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/29/2005 10:46:36 AM
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Operation Iraqi Liberation (or OIL for short) was the original name given for the war in Iraq....I support our troops, and am grieved to see so many deaths and wounded (thousands will be maimed for life). I am a retired Army officer(1971-1993) and I worked in casualty affairs while on active duty...It is not fun to inform a loved one of a soldier's death.
We are fighting extremists who think differently than we do, so the war is not conventional (similar to Vietnam in some respects, and what we were against in WWII with the Japanese suicide bombers).
Assuredly, Iraq is a strategic country in the Middle East, where most of the world's oil is produced...whoever controls the OIL holds power over the modern industrialized world. Surely someone is becoming filthy rich over this "war", and it is certainly not the service member or his family. I suspect there are deeper reasons for this war than what meets the eye; however, I do know that God is in control and has his reasons.
I for one would not encourage my son, daughter, or others to join the military at this time....We have so much strife on the homefront, and our national debt is reaching unheard of numbers. How many more lifes are going to be sacrified before the war is over?
There are other countries who were more of a threat to us than Iraq....our miltary is stretched too thin...when will the draft be reinstated?(my draft number was 39 so I joined, this was during the Vietnam "conflict")
My 2 cents worth.
walkin2e
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/29/2005 12:02:49 PM
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Goodwill
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Why would the draft be reinstated...and as far as your post "walk" as many lives as it takes....voulenteer military....I would absolutely encourage any one to join the military.,...my dad brothers and step mom are all military orientated my uncles as well...I support our troops and this war and our president and his decisions
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/29/2005 12:12:50 PM
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I was shocked beyond words the other night as I watched a documentary on the history channel of the atrocities committed by Saddam, his 2 sons, and his regime on the people of Iraq. If these things went on without much of the world knowing then imagine what goes on in other countries. With the wealth that Saddam had accumulated and continued to accumulate, and the fear that he had created among the people, it would have been just a matter of time before the nut would have had WMD with intention to use them wherever he desired. He did a very good job of getting rid of them.
The world allowed it to happen once before with Hitler and thank God America intervened this time.
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/29/2005 12:38:59 PM
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I was shocked beyond words the other night as I watched a documentary on the history channel of the atrocities committed by Saddam, his 2 sons, and his regime on the people of Iraq. If these things went on without much of the world knowing then imagine what goes on in other countries. With the wealth that Saddam had accumulated and continued to accumulate, and the fear that he had created among the people, it would have been just a matter of time before the nut would have had WMD with intention to use them wherever he desired. He did a very good job of getting rid of them.
The world allowed it to happen once before with Hitler and thank God America intervened this time.
i remember reading reading in Time magazine about a woman who was a lawyer and defended a man who was accused by one of sadaam's son of doing a crime. the crime was he smiled at the son's girlfriend. She defended him and was released by the courts. the son b/c angry and had her arrested. for ten years, this poor woman was given hallucinary drugs and tortured. When the troops liberated the bagdad, she was released from the hospital. the problem? she's now Schizophrenic. She lived in filth and wrote on the walls saying writing was the only way she could make the voices stop.
in another article, one of sadaam's son saw a twelve year old girl at a party and got a fancy for her. she was brought up to him, and well, i think you all the rest. when he was done with her, his men drove her home and gave the father money for her time. too bad virginity is a important element when finding a suitor for a daughter. of course, in their society, she'll never marry. i often think about these two people, a woman driven into insanity and a child not understanding what had happened to her and why a man hurt her. (oh, and lets not forget the people that were thrown into the tree grinders. shudder.) i'm always amazed by those who stand next to sadaam and his sons, saying he was an innocent by-stander and it was wrong to invade iraq. gives me chills to think anyone would support or defend these demons from hell.
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With the wealth that Saddam had accumulated and continued to accumulate, and the fear that he had created among the people, it would have been just a matter of time before the nut would have had WMD with intention to use them wherever he desired. He did a very good job of getting rid of them.
The world allowed it to happen once before with Hitler and thank God America intervened this time.
amen.
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/29/2005 1:12:59 PM
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This documentary showed how one son of Saddam saw a newly married couple getting off an elevator and he favored the bride and had his men escort her to his room. Her new husband protested and he had him killed. You know I can't help but believe that at some point God gets so sick of this and brings down judgement. They showed the mass of women and children that were killed by his use of chemical weapons.
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/29/2005 1:23:25 PM
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This documentary showed how one son of Saddam saw a newly married couple getting off an elevator and he favored the bride and had his men escort her to his room. Her new husband protested and he had him killed. You know I can't help but believe that at some point God gets so sick of this and brings down judgement. They showed the mass of women and children that were killed by his use of chemical weapons.
I thought the same thing when we went to war with Iraq. For ten years, God gave sadaam and his sons a chance, then He stood and said, enough is enough. Now sadaam has lost everything, his country, riches, family. God stripped him down. i remember back in 1990's, my pastor hoped that sadaam would be captured, get saved and punished for his crimes. looks like that is happening now. i just hope he gives his life to Christ.
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/29/2005 1:57:02 PM
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Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak my mind. I lost my job this past year. When Clinton was president I was secure and prosperous, but in the last year we had to close our operations. I was forced out of the place where I had worked for 34 years.
Not a single government program was there to help me.
Just so you know I lost both my sons fighting for their country. I lost them in Iraq and for what? So that Bush's oil buddies can get rich? My pain is indescribable.
I simply have nothing left. How can Bush call himself a Christian when he neglects people like me? I am a senior citizen with various medical problems. I'm not in a position where I can begin a new career, all because of President Bush.
Mr. Bush, I dare you to look me in the face and tell me you are a compassionate man!! I dare you to look me in the face and tell me you are a Christian. If I had any money left, I would donate it all to the Democratic Party.
If Al Gore had been elected in 2000 I would still have a job, a home and most importantly, a family.
Regards,
Saddam Huessein
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/29/2005 2:29:31 PM
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LOL! never seen that one
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/29/2005 3:46:35 PM
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I personally cannot see how anyone who is truly following the teachings of Christ can truly support any war. Jesus said, "Love your enemies," "turn the other cheek," and "blessed are the peacemakers." The second greatest commandment of all, according to Jesus, is to love our neighbors as ourselves. We cannot do such things while being in the act of killing other humans. We just can't. It is my belief that Jesus would have advocated for nonviolent means to just ends.
The following biblical references will back me up on this:
Matthew 5:43-48
James 3:18
1 Peter 2:20-23
Romans 12:17-21
Hebrews 12:14
Also, just for the sake of anyones interest, here is an Guest Viewpoint article I got printed in my local newspaper in 2004, on nonviolence:
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Months ago, President Bush announced victory in Iraq. Yet our own violence has spawned hatred against us, death of our soldiers, and our own carelessness has led to innocent deaths of civilians. Although there were no weapons of mass destruction, I strongly believe that the people of Iraq needed to be liberated. But the question that comes to mind is: Should we have used violence? I do not believe so.
Being a pacifist, some may believe that I feel the best course of action is inaction. Thus is far from the truth. To be a pacifist, one must be completely active... but it is through actions of love, not actions of hate, that change should be made. We drop our swords and give ourselves over to love if we truly want world peace. It is the basic concept that we should not only have fought the Iraqi government nonviolently to tear down a dictatorship, but also to tear down the hatred in their hearts. When that is accomplished, then we have reached true victory.
It is commonly argued, "But Iraq was much more brutal than places such as India, it would never work in Iraq." Yet, nine different brutal totalitarian nations in South America freed themselves from their brutish governments using nonviolence, including the people of Chile whom suffered under Augusto Pinochet, one of the most brutal dictators in history. Even the Nazis could not control the nonviolent resistance in Norway until the activists turned violent.
Sometimes it seems illogical, or impractical, but when kept nonviolent every single organized large-scale peaceful revolution has worked. Success is difficult, but when organized well, it has not failed in even the most atrocious regimes.
What should we have done then? I believe we should have assembled a Nonviolent Army, one which would aide the Iraqi people in civil disobedience in a movement for peace. With millions upon millions worldwide aiding this, Iraq simply would have lost control. When a human injures another human that consistently shows love and forgiveness, in 99 out of 100 times, the aggressors hatred decreases and respect increases. When people continuously refuse to comply, even to the death, then you can not achieve their obedience. Through nonviolent, non-cooperation with evil, that evil simply cannot control you if you persist, as it is impossible for governments to function without the general obedience of the people. I believe it could have, and would have worked against the Iraqi government, if attempted with international support.
Iraq is not the only government we should have gone after nonviolently. By sitting by idly, we allow China, Cuba, among countless others to oppress their people. Apathy is the worst form of violence, and we must turn our apathy into love if we wish to turn away from the depths of violence into which we are falling. There is no longer a choice between violence and nonviolence, the choice is now between nonviolence and the end of our existance. We are committing suicide upon ourselves, and this is our last chance.
It still astounds me that the possibility of nonviolence failing prevents us from attempting it, but violence has failed us for millennia (it has always lead to more violence later on) and it has always been our first option. The great Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. put it best when he said:
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate... Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: Only love can do that."
I sincerely hope that humanity can at least attempt such a method of compassion for change. Otherwise, we are doomed.
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