What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's church?
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What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's church? - 11/18/2009 11:55:40 AM
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Tomok
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I understand the role of a worship leader but over recent events I found out there are Worship Pastors out there! What is a Worship Pastor? What is their role? What's the difference between a Worship Paster and a Worship Leader?
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/18/2009 12:10:01 PM
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Well, best I can tell there is no difference. The "leader" has now been promoted to "pastor". When I was a kid, we had "songleaders". Then "music directors". Now "worship (something".
In the last 15 or so years, "worship" has become one and the same with music. Although music can be a part of worship...it is by no means the only way to worship God.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/18/2009 12:12:36 PM
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Usually the worship pastors are credentialed and on staff, and the worship leaders are lay leaders. Other than that, they generally do the same thing.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/18/2009 12:15:49 PM
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alinnm
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In the last 15 or so years, "worship" has become one and the same with music. Although music can be a part of worship...it is by no means the only way to worship God.
Exactly right! Sadly, the implication is that the sermon is not a part of the worship experience.
We call the music guy a "worship leader" or "worship pastor" to convince ourselves that they are not entertainers.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/18/2009 12:28:26 PM
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We have a Minister of Music. He is ordained and fulfills the same role as our pastor, visits the sick and shut-ins, performs marriages, and literally ministers to members but especially choir and instrumentalists (a group that's larger than many small churchs I've been in).
There have been many times that he acted more as my pastor than the senior pastor did. I've often said that if he somehow lost the ability to direct the music program, his ministry would not change that much. He is far more than someone who picks songs and conducts the choir and orchestra. He takes the time to meet the spiritual needs of others all week long.
If a church has someone that's just doing music, you only have a song leader, not a minister of music.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/19/2009 11:56:07 AM
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Tomok
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Aaron Keyes I notice classes himself as a worship pastor rather than a worship leader because he looks after the welfare of the musicians and pa guys under his care.
Is this how we see the role?
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/19/2009 11:59:47 AM
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Eutychus
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I would consider someone a "Worship Pastor" if he was involved with the entire worship service. Worship is more than music and the sound team.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/19/2009 1:56:21 PM
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Aaron Keyes I notice classes himself as a worship pastor rather than a worship leader because he looks after the welfare of the musicians and pa guys under his care.
Is this how we see the role?
Since worship pastors are usually full time staff positions, they usually have the time available to do that.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/19/2009 2:27:52 PM
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OK, I confess, I am an old dude. I like hymns more than the new worship choruses - especially the ones that repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat while I am expected to stand there with my feet hurting. So I wrote a little parody to the tune of "O, for a Thousand Tongues to Sing"
So far, a thousand times we've sung the same redundant phrase,
We'll sing it 'til our brains go numb and all our eyes are glazed.
The worship leader's "in the zone," he's on a higher plain;
Well, if the truth were really known, I think the man's insane!
I don't know why the church invests in plushly padded pews,
When what would really serve us best is orthopedic shoes.
While half the deacon body tip-toes swiftly out the door,
A little blue-haired lady slips unconscious to the floor.
When Lincoln spoke the country's age was four-score seven years,
But by the time our pastor speaks, we'll have spent that much time here.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/19/2009 2:54:40 PM
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Aaron Keyes I notice classes himself as a worship pastor rather than a worship leader because he looks after the welfare of the musicians and pa guys under his care.
Is this how we see the role?
I go to Grace where Aaron is our worship Pastor. He has started a school to teach young men to lead their congregation INTO worship ... not just lead worship. He imparts the study of scripture and prayer as he guides and disciples young musicians, so that they can be equipped to do the same with others. In fact to be part of the school, they have to agree to disciple men once they "graduate." Aaron also steps in and preaches to the congregation, his desire is to make true worshipers in everything we do ... not just in the music. You can get more from what he does and his role on staff by visiting his website. I believe we have 7 or 8 worship teams at Grace. His primary goal is to get out of the way so that God can get the glory and to see lives changed by worshiping in spirit AND in thr truth of God's word ... nothing kooky and showy ... but something that draws you into the throne-room of God as we praise Him.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/19/2009 6:15:37 PM
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I know what you mean, like this new fangle repeatin' song:
O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: because his mercy endureth for ever.
Let Israel now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.
Let the house of Aaron now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.
Let them now that fear the LORD say, that his mercy endureth for ever.
(-Psalm 118:1-4)
Sorta, except to get the idea, you need to ignore, not only the other 25 verses of Psalm 118, but also three of the verses you quoted and repeat verse 1 EIGHTY SEVEN times.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/20/2009 8:32:32 AM
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Tomok
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Thanks for all, particularly Psalms274 for putting me in touch with Aaron's website - this I found to be very informative.
Are there other websites from other worship pastors or websites you can get further info from?
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/20/2009 8:54:59 AM
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Eutychus
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quote:
ORIGINAL: alinnm
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I know what you mean, like this new fangle repeatin' song:
O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: because his mercy endureth for ever.
Let Israel now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.
Let the house of Aaron now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.
Let them now that fear the LORD say, that his mercy endureth for ever.
(-Psalm 118:1-4)
Sorta, except to get the idea, you need to ignore, not only the other 25 verses of Psalm 118, but also three of the verses you quoted and repeat verse 1 EIGHTY SEVEN times.
That was just one quick example that came to mind. Would you like to see more?
I'm an old codger too and I also tend to overlook the little things in old music that would cause those that dislike it to see. Like that old favorite Precious Memories, which has no mention of God, Bible, or prayer, it only exalts fond memories, yet it is found in many old hymnals and is loved by a bunch of us oldsters as a wonderful "hymn".
People have different tastes in music. We can't change that. We can, however, try to focus on worshipping God and accept preferences of young folk that will one day at our funeral think back to whether we were an encourager to them or an old sour puss that fretted over petty things.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/21/2009 10:51:56 PM
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Can I suggest that it gives a person more prestige and power to be called the "worship pastor". One church I was in had several pastors. The senior pastor; the associate pastor; the missionary pastor; the youth pastor; the administration pastor; the worship pastor.
Most of them never did any pastoring.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/21/2009 11:35:54 PM
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The only time you need a Worship Pastor is when you got you a mega church and ministry responsibilities need to be farmed out to other sub pastors. In a church such as the one I go to, the Praise and Worship leader is responsible for leading the congregation in music, praise, and worship during a service. Notice I didn't say "lead the congregation into Gods presence" because we are supposed to already be in His presence, especially on the Sabbath, God's appointed day.
I have been to some mega church's "Camp Meetings." What ever title, Minister of Music, Worship Pastor, Praise and Worship Leader, or whatever, was responsible for the music, singing, and worship. I found out that the Praise and Worship team planned hours of singing/musical arrangements for use during the "service" (televised live). Not being prepared can leave gaping holes not suitable for broadcast(dead air is costly). For those not familiar, the television producers sign for "stretch" is just as scary as the count down clock(or the floor producers five finger count down to going off the air). Sure am glad our smallish church doesn't have to worry about all that, yet.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/22/2009 7:50:58 PM
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Hello Tomok
It's simple for me. Both are the same provided the Lord has anointed them to do such a work. I've always believed that they do not fall under the area of helps but are ministers on an elder/pastoral level.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/23/2009 10:23:56 AM
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I agree with consecrated, Worship pastors are usually paid staff. the worship pastor in my church is not just in charge or music, but media, the organization of service and the different worship teams. He also teaches music lessons to the youth and adults as well as meets with people throughout the week and some other Pastoral things.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/23/2009 5:52:01 PM
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does this help?
< Message edited by techne -- 11/23/2009 5:58:49 PM >
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/23/2009 10:06:38 PM
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Amen. Bring it on.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 11/24/2009 12:59:34 AM
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Can I suggest that it gives a person more prestige and power to be called the "worship pastor". One church I was in had several pastors. The senior pastor; the associate pastor; the missionary pastor; the youth pastor; the administration pastor; the worship pastor.
Most of them never did any pastoring.
We have multiple pastors, as well.
Senior Pastor
Teaching Pastor
Associate Pastor of Pastoral and Preaching Ministries
Executive Pastor
Associate Pastor
Though, I'll take ANY of them...over any of the pastors I know at many of the "single pastor" churches in our area......
And, as for "worship"....we have a "minister of music and worship". And, his staff of incredibly talented people.
Have never heard of the term "Worship Pastor", though.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 12/5/2009 9:56:19 PM
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My husband is a worship pastor. He has a college degree in music with a secondary ministry degree, is ordained, ministers to the music and tech people especially, leads Bible studies and sometimes preaches in our church. He also counsels and is available for visitation and other needs of our congregation; although his primary area of responsibility is the music and media that takes place during the services.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 12/15/2009 12:35:03 AM
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To look metro-sexual, play happy music and drink loads of coffee.
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 12/15/2009 9:01:24 AM
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Thoughts?
Our Worship leader is the Holy Spirit...
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RE: What is a Worship Pastor and their role in today's ... - 12/15/2009 9:11:34 AM
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ORIGINAL: alinnm
OK, I confess, I am an old dude. I like hymns more than the new worship choruses - especially the ones that repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat while I am expected to stand there with my feet hurting. So I wrote a little parody to the tune of "O, for a Thousand Tongues to Sing"
So far, a thousand times we've sung the same redundant phrase,
We'll sing it 'til our brains go numb and all our eyes are glazed.
The worship leader's "in the zone," he's on a higher plain;
Well, if the truth were really known, I think the man's insane!
I don't know why the church invests in plushly padded pews,
When what would really serve us best is orthopedic shoes.
While half the deacon body tip-toes swiftly out the door,
A little blue-haired lady slips unconscious to the floor.
When Lincoln spoke the country's age was four-score seven years,
But by the time our pastor speaks, we'll have spent that much time here.
Your poem is hysterical. I especially like the little blue-haired lady line, and several of my church members came immediately to mind.
I'm assuming your post is menat to be not only funny, but a little tongue in cheek. I've sung many a song from the old hymnals, and they can tend to go on and on and on, too. And unless a person's foot discriminates, the time you stand waiting on a slow organist can seem a little long, too.
Perhaps you don't like to sing? Me, I'm a songbird and can get along with hymns or band.
BTW, we still call the person the "music leader" at our church, and they are paid a pittance.
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