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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 11/21/2009 7:49:12 PM   
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Have you read Hahn's "The Lambs Supper"? It's one of my favorites. I also like Alex Jone's "No Price Too High". He sought to get his Pentecostal congregation to be more like an "Acts 2" church so started reading writings from the early church. Not long after, he and many of his flock entered the CC church where he is now a deacon.

I echo your feelings too about Beckwith, Hahn, and the many other Protestant pastors entering into the CC. Surely one can't argue that they are "scripture-lite". The trend I've noticed is those entering into the CC will acknowledge their love for scripture and fairly deep understanding of it. Those who leave the CC typically don't (don't see how this can happen with the ammount of scripture proclaimed in the Liturgy). It's probably because of poor catechesis which seems to be getting a lot of attention in many diocese today.
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RE: Why do we need a Pope? - 11/22/2009 4:37:00 AM   
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Although, worldwide RC is losing numbers and evangelical Protestantism is gaining significantly in third world countries. God is gracious as He brings the truth to those nations..."So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.".


...reminded me of Matthew 7:14, ""For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few". It sure seems like an argumentum ad populum (that is, an appeal to popular support of a certain position) is one of the weakest debate positions a Christian can take.
Another weak argument is the appeal to antiquity. Once a sovereign papacy was established and unscriptural doctrines tumbled forward at lightning speed, the method of reading-back into Scripture was cemented. No longer were doctrines established from Scripture. Instead, RC first established doctrines and then searched high and low for something which could be used as support.

Thus began the system of not using the Bible to find truth but using it as a means to find something anything that was at best tangential or extraneous.

We can use an analogy between secular governments and that of RC. On the one hand, dictatorships can appear to be tidy and without dissent compared to the sometimes "messiness" of a democracy. Yet, who would ever want to renounce his freedom of speech?

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I hesitate to use the next two verses, Mt 7:15-16, "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?", because even though the Roman church is FULL of false prophets and bad fruit (as non-Roman denominations are as well), there is still a lot of good fruit being produced by our brothers and sisters in the Roman denomination in terms of charity and justice on the behalf of the poor, hungry, orphan, widow, and downtrodden around the world. My fear is the corruption of those fruits by a rotten gospel message (trust in the Roman Church for salvation rather than Christ).
Yes, God has created man with the desire to help others. We see this all the time in the secular world. However, God has ordained that His Truth be broadcast to the world and only true believers can do this. And while acts of mercy are certainly biblical, the spread of the true Gospel is the main concern for the true believer.

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