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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/21/2008 2:30:20 PM
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daughter_of_faith
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Yeah, I think it's going to be a chart where they change my O date every day for the next few days. AF won't be here on day 22. She's NEVER came that early for a visit! EVER!
Weird, whacky stuff. I don't know why there are dots...didn't put anything in differently on those days. Got enough sleep each day (there was only one day where I was really groggy & I forgot to make a notation of which day it was). I'm trying to temp at the same time every day (upon waking up) but sometimes I wake up at 4:00 and other days I don't wake until 5:45...that's a pretty big gap.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/21/2008 2:34:13 PM
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that *is* a pretty big gap.
Um, you may want to go back and view what you have said (clicked) on those days that makes it show white instead of blue... usually (for me) it is either that I've checked fever, illness, or sleep deprived. Other things might be a different temp. taking time though, which you've already stated is true at times.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/21/2008 3:55:34 PM
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Megan, I was thinking about your chart... and even your "high" temps are lower than my low temps lately. Although, that (your high temps) is about what my low temps were when I wasn't medicated with clomid/progesterone/etc...
I don't want you to get discouraged, and I don't want you to think I'm picking on you or anything. I'm not trying to, just trying to figure out your chart. =) I really think that if you keep things as consistent as possible (taking temp at the same time, after atleast 3 hrs sleep, using same thermometer, not rising before taking temps), in time you will see what is truly going on with you. =)
I actually print out my charts from Fertility Friend, and put them in a binder, and take them with me when I go to the doctor. =) I find it helpful, and sometimes the doctor wants to see them. =)
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/21/2008 5:32:39 PM
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I think the white/blue dots are just showing the thermal shift?
*back to lurking*
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/21/2008 7:49:11 PM
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It could be, Ryanne. I don't even know. Did some looking and came up with a few pages/links. The one page said something about 96-98 being normal for the first phase. If they are below that, then there is a hypo-thyroid problem and the body is producing too much estrogen. There are other problems depending on what your temping situation is. So...with that said...I *think* I'm within the "normal" 96-98, outside of the first few temps (95.7, 95.7, and 95.9).
The doc did check for thyroid issues prior to my surgery. He hasn't said anything about the results so I am guessing they were all normal.
I'll definitely continue to temp & keep an eye on things. It's kind of interesting to see the changes. Weird though...and I'm beginning to think that I agree with some of the ladies that don't like FF. Will someone send me a PM with the other site? I'm thinking there was one that could be downloaded (it was like software) for around $40, but I don't exactly remember. But several ladies here seemed to like it.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/22/2008 3:42:08 AM
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Gina, if you're taking your temp at different times it's going to give you problems. I've started setting my alarm clock for earlier than I normally get up, temp, and then usually got back to sleep. At least then I can keep it at the same time, especially for this first temping cycle, to get some kind of base line. The only time I'll temp later is if I haven't had 3 hours of uninterrupted sleep. Like, the other night, I woke up, again, 2 hours before I was to temp, and was totally awake for a while. I reset my alarm to make sure to get 3 hours of sleep and then temped. It worked and was pretty on target.
Have people complained about FF? I haven't heard anything. I'm liking it so far... just wish my body would cooperate. Hold out & finish this cycle and see what it says. Looks like things could be turning around for you here soon!
As for me & my chart, I'm stumped. Would welcome opinions. My chart
No English speaking doctors here, that I know of or have heard of. Maybe in the capitol there might be one... though I don't know anyone here would need need one, so finding out could be a trick. Hmm.... Ah, the adventure.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/22/2008 9:26:00 AM
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Is it possible you ovulated on or before day 14, Lydia? Just asking because that's the highest temp on your chart....
My FF chart still says I O'd on Day 8. *sigh*
Most of the ladies around here like to use Taking Charge of Your Fertility (TCOTF).
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/22/2008 11:31:10 AM
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I guess anything is possible, but I don't think so. I had no CM before that and I think that high temp was due to not sleeping & anxiety over taking my temp for the first time in the morning. So, I REALLY don't think so. Maybe it's still coming?
I noticed your chart has dotted cross hairs, though. I believe that means that it's not sure, but could be. I'm holding out on yours coming yet, as well.
I just checked out that other program. I think I'm going to use both for a bit and see what they each say for this cycle. It feels heavier than FF, but a bit different, too. Hmm...
How's packing going? How's everyone else doing?
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/22/2008 12:39:48 PM
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Lydia, I have no idea...this fertility stuff can get rather confusing quickly.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure mine is still coming. *sigh*
The packing is going. I worked out this morning (a day late) but I did it. Then I sat down at my computer. I need to get up & get going!!!
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/22/2008 1:11:59 PM
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ok, so I "fiddled" around to see what would make temps appear to be white dots on Fertility Friend, and here's what I found. If you click "sleep deprived" it will do it, and if your temp is more than a half hour different from your 'set' time to take it, it will show as white. If you click "fever" it will not connect the dot, and it will rim the blue dot with black.
I've looked at both your charts and I don't think either of you have ovulated yet.
Lydia, with yours, it's hard to say what was going on due to not having the previous temps, but since you have somewhat fertile looking mucous, I would say that yours has not happened yet.
Megan, with yours, I just don't see ovulation. It gave you dotted crosshairs because it isn't certain that you've ovulated, it has conflicting data... giving you the dotted line. Are you also checking cervical mucous?
David had his appointment to see how his clomid is doing for him this morning. It went well, so that's good. The bad news is, the lab lost his bloodwork... so, he has to have it redone.
I have my appointment to check out my cyst (ultrasound) and to discuss things with the doctor on Thursday morning.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/23/2008 3:26:49 AM
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Gina, Thanks for looking and yeah, I think you're right. I finally had a rise this morning, higher than the rest, and I "just have a feeling" (very reliable I know) that I O-ed. So, we'll see. I don't think we have the greatest chances in the world this month... DH has been a bit sick recently. But, that's ok. I don't mind getting a good cycle under my belt to refer back to. Here's to hoping this isn't a 50 day-cycle... 35-ish, or 9 months would be nice! 
Maybe this is a super ignorant question, but, I'm still learning... men can/do take clomid as well? What's the reason for that?
Megan, I agree... I don't think you have yet, either. Did you get off the computer and keep packing? I know, this machine in front of me sucks up way too much of my time. It annoys me that when I have other work to do on here, I can so easily do stuff online, too (read: check my charts 17 times a day, research baby names & all kinds of other crazy stuff).
I'm meeting my good national friend this afternoon... maybe we'll go check out what other stuff is available here. She told me she just found out you can buy OPKs but they were pricey. I'm curious about other vitamins and such, too. Anyone have any suggestions on what I should look for?
Have a good day... the week is half over!
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/23/2008 8:48:09 AM
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No suggestions on what vitamins to look for...just mostly a good multi-vitamin & folic acid....those are the musts I would say. Everyone tells a little different tale...but I know folic acid has been proven to reduce certain birth defects.
FF still says day 8....
Still trying to make heads or tails of TCOYF......
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/23/2008 9:13:07 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: ajidil
Maybe this is a super ignorant question, but, I'm still learning... men can/do take clomid as well? What's the reason for that?
Men take clomid if their testosterone levels are a little low... apparently. This aids in 'production' for them, and in better quality. He takes it very differently than I do though. He takes 1/2 a pill every day.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/24/2008 2:52:09 AM
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Good morning ladies!
Gina, thanks for enlightening me! I had no idea. Guess you learn something new every day. How did your appointment got his morning?
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/24/2008 8:30:20 AM
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Hey, Lydia, I think Gina's appointment is this morning as it's now Thursday here :)
Hmmm...today is the first day that I'm above my coverline according to TCOYF. It's Day 14 of said cycle. FF is still going with an O on Day 8. Time will tell...
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/24/2008 6:56:33 PM
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Gina, did your doctor have any news for you today? Just curious how you appt. went....
Oh and ladies...no matter what I do on my chart on FF...it still says O was Day 8. Yikes if that's accurate! TCOYF hasn't really said at least not from what I am seeing.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/24/2008 8:11:31 PM
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it will continue to say that unless you "discard" those first few temps. If you think they are very inaccurate, that is what I would do. (click the box that says "discard" next to where you type in the temp)
It says that because that is your largest jump in temps.
my doctor appt./ultrasound went well. The cyst is gone. YAY!! Now to the confusing part.
since the cyst is gone, he wants me to stop taking the birth control pills. (yay again) Then he will count tomorrow as day 1 of my cycle. (even without a period) Keep in mind we are at day --ugh.. computer issues, so I don't know... but somewhere in the middle... like about day 15ish.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/25/2008 3:43:41 AM
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Gina... YEA!!! So glad you got good news! Any progress is, in deed, progress! But why would he consider today CD1, in the middle of a cycle? Is it because going off the BC will bring on AF?
I was going to suggest the same thing to you, Megan. Discard those first temps and see what happens. Right now, my bet is on CD 12.
I'm doing well today. FF finally declared my O, so I'm officially 3DPO. So of course, this morning I went through the gallery looking for charts similar to mine that ended in pregnancy & to see if BDing lined up... basically to see how much of a chance I've got this cycle. It's a long shot but possible. I'm not getting my hopes up though. TCOYF hasn't decided on a O day for me yet.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/25/2008 8:45:08 AM
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we questioned him in detail about considering today day 1. He said he wanted to do it that way because we know without a doubt that I am not pregnant, and we know that I do not have a cyst. He didn't want me to have to come back in about 2 weeks for another check... though that may happen anyway if my period comes "on schedule" for my normal schedule. David asked him if I wouldn't be getting my period around the time of ovulation if we consider today day 1, and he said that it might happen that way, or it might not. There's no way to know at this point. He said that we didn't have to absolutely do it that way, but that's what he'd like us to do. So, that's what we'll try this month, and see how it goes.
now I have to figure out how to force Fertility Friend to say that today is day 1. =)
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/25/2008 11:00:10 AM
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Could you "split a cycle"? Would that work?
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/25/2008 11:12:13 AM
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I tried discarding those temps & nothing changed at all. Last night I had what I would call the ovulatory pain....but that's usually AFTER O. Is that accurate? So probably day 12 or 13...
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/25/2008 2:16:32 PM
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Megan, do you still have any cervical mucous? is it "dry"? Normally 2 things happen that let you know that ovulation has happened... cervical mucous dries up, and temps rise, and stay above your coverline.
Oh, and your chart no longer shows day 8, it shows day 12.
your charts confuse me.. both of you. =) There are things on each of them that I don't know what they mean, and I can't figure out why they are there. =)
I figured out how to just start a new cycle, although it cautioned me that it should only be used in rare circumstances... and this is a pretty rare circumstance. =) So, day 18? Day 1? eh... day... something or other.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/25/2008 2:57:43 PM
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Yeah, Lydia told me to try something in a PM. When I did that...it switched it to day 12. And no I didn't override anything.....
Totally weird...and no I do not understand it all. Any interpretation? LOL....it's confusing to me..
I felt the ovulatory pain last night or what I thought was ovulation pain. Today it feels like there is lots of CM. I don't even know what's going on with my body....that's part of what we're trying to figure out with the chart!
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/25/2008 6:57:47 PM
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if you're still having "lots" of cervical mucous, then ovulation should still be approaching. "Ovulatory pain" doesn't necessarily happen at ovulation. It can happen before, during, or after. You cannot rely on it.
Do you mind pm-ing me or telling me how you changed it to day 12? Just curious... especially since the crosshairs are blue not red.
I would have to understand why you put everything in the way you did in order to interpret it well... I think. =)
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