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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/26/2008 3:25:22 AM
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ajidil
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Oh Megan, I know it can be frustrating. I'm confused about things happening with me, too. I think the important thing is to just keep charting and temping and all. I'm realizing it's a lot easier to figure things out after the fact, like with a completed chart, or even a few of them. Don't give up! Yeah, I'm not sure why it's still in blue, either, but I think it's more accurate now.
Gina, I'm curious what confuses you on my chart... curious if it's the same things that stump me. I keep trying to tel myself that very few people have normal, typical charts & cycles, and if I did, I probably wouldn't be in this forum!
Glad you got your new cycle chart started. Yes, I would definitely say this is an rare circumstance. :-)
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/27/2008 12:52:54 AM
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Lydia, I am 'confused' by your chart because I do not understand why some of your temp. points are squares and some are dots. I also think that 96.1 is a pretty low temp, and it's a single temp.. so I wonder if it's accurate, or if something else was going on. Plus, I agree with FF that I would be unsure (thus the dotted crosshairs) if you ovulated on day 22 or not, since you seem to have cervical fluids reported after that. Basically, it's good that you have started charting, but it's harder for me to interpret things when a cycle only has temps from the 'middle' of the cycle... I like to see temps from day 1 on.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/27/2008 4:17:36 AM
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ajidil
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Gina, thanks for looking... some things I can explain, somethings, not.
Solid colored circles or squares make no difference. It just means (for the squares) that I added some other kind of info, like headache, irritability, etc. You can see that on the the chart, like on CD 17 there was no other info added ("symptom" wise) so it's still a circle. The empty squares are "sleep deprived", therefore may or may not be accurate. I think that 96.1 temp is no accurate, either. I believe that FF does not take those "follow" squares so seriously.
TCOYF finally, today, gave me an O date of the 23rd, rather than the 22nd, though I'm not sure why. They also have my coverline around 97.5. So what would your guess be? Do you think I haven't Oed yet?
I didn't know that all of your CM had to immediately dry up... I thought that was a typical thing, but not a for sure. I thought it was just important for the EW or wet to dry up, but that others, it didn't matter so much, but hey, I'm still new at this!
Yeah, I wished I could have started temping at the beginning but just wasn't prepared for that. Thanks for your input!
To make matters more "interesting", I'm leaving on Wednesday for 10 days (on outreach) and will be sharing a room with 8-10 other gals (mostly college aged)... so I'm not sure how vigilant my temping will be able to be while I'm there. For sure, it will be at a different wake-up time... but, I guess you can only do what you can do, you know? I actually considered not going, for this specific reason, but I've also determined I have to find a balance here and not let this control my life, which is what it would be doing. So, I will do the best I can, and go from there.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/27/2008 1:03:15 PM
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pumpkin
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Lydia, I chart and input "other" data as well, and I've never seen the squares. That's why it confuses me. I have no differences on my charts (as to circles or squares) whether I have other data or not. So, I've never seen that before.
Also, would you mind telling me what you told Megan to do with her chart so that it changed her ovulation day?
The way your chart looks currently, I would interpret it like FF did. I would say that day 22 would be my best guess, but I'm not sure.
For cervical fluids... Usually it dries up quickly after ovulation. There are of course exceptions to every rule, but if you continue to have quite a bit, then likely ovulation has not occurred yet. (I know this is not reported on your chart, just wanted to state it as best I understand it)
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/27/2008 1:13:02 PM
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ajidil
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FF says: "When you have entered a note or if you check something in the Special data section, the graph will display a square instead of a dot. This is useful to check patterns and symptoms not directly related to charting. Note that this display is not enabled by default. It can be enabled on a chart by chart basis by clicking on the Display Settings link below the chart." So I guess I have it checked and you don't. Well, that explains that! 
I don't think Megan had "Advanced" chosen as her interpretation method. I'm not sure what she had, but when she switched it to "Advanced", it changed it. Maybe she accidentally had it on OPK or FAM, I'm not sure.
I just realized that TCOYF uses the FAM method, so I guess that's why they have it detected a day later.
Thanks for the CM explanation. That makes sense.
Megan, you out there, or are you buried under boxes? Tomorrow's the big moving day, right?
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/27/2008 1:33:59 PM
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pumpkin
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ah, questions answered. =)
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/27/2008 11:10:25 PM
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The moving day is actually on Wednesday, but yes we're buried under boxes....LOL.
We went to visit family over the weekend & just got back a little bit ago. Yesterday we went to Six Flags Discovery Kingdom (otherwise known as Marine World). It was FABULOUS...as we saw a big killer whale, a dolphin or two, snakes, birds, butterflies, etc. Also went to a Looney Toons show.
Today we went to church with the in-laws...had a special guest...a wonderful pianist. It was VERY cool...then we came home.
With everything going on....I'm not sure how accurate my temps are...but they're updated now.
Lydia, thanks for answering for me as I was away.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 7/28/2008 11:56:47 PM
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daughter_of_faith
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I don't know...but that's definitely cool. If we actually conceived that means we'd have very similar due dates :)
I'll be AFK for a few days, y'all. Computer gets packed tomorrow...right after the modem gets dropped off. So I'll be MIA, LOL. If you're curious about me, check in here: daughter_of_faith's Moving thread
I'm going to continue temping/charting, so that will all be updated after I return (hopefully on Friday).
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 8/4/2008 9:08:11 AM
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Noelle, sorry for the disappointment... but yay for cycles that are regular!! =)
I hope your HSG goes well for you. =)
I am *patiently* waiting for the morning show to tell me exactly what women over 35 can take that's over the counter, to help them conceive.....
< Message edited by pumpkin -- 8/5/2008 12:47:50 PM >
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 8/4/2008 6:53:33 PM
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daughter_of_faith
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Megan, sorry for the disappointment... but yay for cycles that are regular!! =)
I hope your HSG goes well for you. =)
I am *patiently* waiting for the morning show to tell me exactly what women over 35 can take that's over the counter, to help them conceive.....
Huh? I think you meant Noelle. LOL...I'm in the middle of a move...just got back online today. Will have to get my charts updated soon.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 8/5/2008 12:47:10 PM
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pumpkin
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quote:
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ORIGINAL: pumpkin
Megan, sorry for the disappointment... but yay for cycles that are regular!! =)
I hope your HSG goes well for you. =)
I am *patiently* waiting for the morning show to tell me exactly what women over 35 can take that's over the counter, to help them conceive.....
Huh? I think you meant Noelle. LOL...I'm in the middle of a move...just got back online today. Will have to get my charts updated soon.
yeah. sorry... I would have sworn that I wrote Noelle... but anyway. *sigh* we all make mistakes.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 8/5/2008 1:52:01 PM
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pumpkin
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let me just say...
I HATE OPK'S!!!
I hate waiting for 4 hrs to "go"
I hate trying to interpret them
I hate having to pay for them
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 8/6/2008 6:19:34 PM
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daughter_of_faith
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I really dislike TOM. *sigh*
Means BFN this month again....
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 8/8/2008 10:05:47 AM
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ajidil
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Hi all,
Well, I'm back in the land of internet! Sorry there's so much disappointment and frustration... Gina, Megan... big hugs to you guys... and to the all the others who are still here, yet again. I'm right there with ya. AF showed up again (while I was on outreach in a little village in the middle of nowhere with hardly any hot water... showers every-other day... geesh). The good thing is that this was a somewhat "normal" cycle this month... not another 50 day long deal. 31 is fine with me. Maybe hanging out with 9 other teen & 20-somethings helped get my body back on track. And now this cycle AF was only here for 6 days! Simple pleasures, I guess.
Anyway... I'm a bit concerned though that my LP was only 9 days long. Thoughts? Hmm...
In other news, Megan, how did the move go? How did your son do traveling? Are you all moved in and unpacked? How's it going?
Bless you all!!!!!!
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 8/8/2008 2:41:48 PM
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pumpkin
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my luteal phase was too short, that's why the doctor has me using progesterone after I'm quite certain (OPK's and all that) that I've ovulated. This lengthens it by several days, so it works quite well for me.
Also, a not very long luteal phase can apparently be caused by a not very 'strong' or 'good' ovulation... or so my doctor said. =) For me? I need the clomid to help the ovulation, and the progesterone to lengthen the luteal phase.
all that to say, I did get pregnant once before though... unmedicated. So it is possible... although, I think my insufficient progesterone may have contributed to that miscarriage.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 8/8/2008 8:56:36 PM
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I have no idea what all is contributing to my issues....
FF says O was on day 12.....AF arrived on day 26....so that would be 14 days which would be about right....so idk.
As far as the move....it went really well all in all. We only had a couple of detours :) My son watched movies or played games...rode with dad some....slept some....he did really well. The cat slept most of the way too. It was smooth. As far as unpacking, we still have quite a bit left, but the big stuff is unpacked. It's just the knicks and cranny stuff that I'm not sure we're to stick that's still packed. Well...that & my stuff that goes to school. It'll go to school on Monday....that'll take part of the stuff away from our house. Yay! I haven't been able to take it before now because our school isn't open to us. *sigh* I SO want to get in there and get my room set up!!! They say stress can interfere with things...maybe so.
When I got pregnant with my son, I didn't think I would get pregnant that month. We weren't really timing things....just kind of going with flow....and not even all that often. So.....
Anyway....here's to hoping that once things get back to normal we get pregnant :)
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 8/11/2008 2:55:16 AM
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Does anyone else ever feel like this whole thing is just a constant waiting game? Waiting for AF to leave, wait for the best CM to focus on trying, wait for Ovulation to be confirmed, endure the 2 week wait, wait as long as you can to test, wait for AF to show up again... the whole thing is waiting... seems like it's a lot more "waiting" than "trying". Agh.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 8/11/2008 8:07:18 AM
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I hear you on the waiting, Lydia. Today I'm hurting some...not sure if it's just jitters (school starts Thursday & I finally get to work in my classroom today)....or if my female issues are flaring up. You know how when there is stress/worry....the weakest point is sought out?
Anyway, other than that...we're doing well...I think I'm cycle day 6 now or so.
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 8/12/2008 9:19:58 PM
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Yes Lydia, it is one big waiting game. We've been waiting for over two years now and it doesn't get easier. Sometimes the wait seems unbearable. It's waiting for small things, like ovulation, and waiting for big things, like a whole cycle to go by again because this one wasn't successful. Argh!
I got a positive OPK today (cd 12) and I think I can actually feel myself ovulate. But again, ovulation doesn't seem to be my problem, it's what happens afterwards.
Good luck ladies on this cycle!
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 8/14/2008 11:05:51 PM
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Thanks, Noelle.
This month I have had lots of pains...so I am wondering if the cysts are building back up...not sure.....
I did get the name of a doc here in town though when I ran into an old classmate :)
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RE: *Struggling* to conceive... - 8/16/2008 10:16:29 AM
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daughter_of_faith
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I'm all over, Lydia....
My chart literally looks like mountain peaks. So I think I'll be making a call to that doc sooner rather than later. Need to figure out what's going on (esp. with having the pain, etc.). Hope those cysts aren't back. I just don't know what to think. Usually I will have pain from ovulation on, but this month it's been pretty much steady (all month thus far). And ovulation is coming soon.....or should be...if I am to ovulate this month.
I'll have to go check out your chart to see what it looks like....have been busy....
How are things going for you ladies?
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Sounds like you had a fun mini-vacation! Woohoo! 
. The good news is that it came on time though. my cycles seem to be going back to normal. I scheduled an HSG for next friday. Not too thrilled to have that done, but it's the next peice of the puzzle to uncover.
I was stalking your FF chart and noticed you hadn't updated. How are things looking?