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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 8/14/2008 11:34:40 AM
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manda59
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agapetos is nearer to Stratford, but I am nearer to London (I think!)
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 8/14/2008 1:12:19 PM
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agapetos is nearer to Stratford, but I am nearer to London (I think!)
So, you really are going! Will they be selling extra programs for the play?
which is me asking you in a round-the-bush way, if I send you the money ...
 although I'm not sure about how to do the exchange so you are not put out with having to convert dollars to euros or pounds...
anyway, I'd love a program if that is something that wouldn't take an advanced degree in physics to make happen.
 
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 8/15/2008 10:51:25 AM
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Thanks for the link!
If I was still a teenage girl, I'd definitely have the Hamlet poster on my wall at home!
But since I'm a grown up now and should exhibit some shred of decency...I'll buy the program.
But is just won't be the same. 
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 8/15/2008 1:34:15 PM
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I enjoy Dr. Who, but it has always been a guilty enjoyment. The new age, occultic references are always ripe throughout the series. With Russell T. Davies writing a lot of the stories and at the helm, you have an ongoing thread of redefining relationships and bascially concluding that all that matters is "love."
I also have noted that in Series 4 there is an ongoing thread of "extending life" and a couple of different incidents of this including last episode. I imagine that Donna will have her life "extended eternally" in some way. It seems to be what writers are foreshadowing.
For those of you who enjoy the film how to do you reconcile your enjoyment with the new age/occultic themes?
The same way I do with all sci-fi shows: by taking the bad with the good. Star Trek in its various permutations had some notoriously anti-Christian episodes, but they also had some wonderful shows that promoted Christian themes. Same thing with Battlestar Galactica. Since I'm pretty grounded in my faith, I know it's not going to affect me. To be honest, I'm more upset about Who promoting the gay agenda then I am about any vague religion. As I said in another post, American sci-fi has been showing characters who are religious, and so I'm simply glad that the creators on those shows acknowledge that most people want to worship something.
Somebody mentioned the target age for the show. The producers may try and maket it towards children, but if I had kids I probably wouldn't let them watch it. The violence is pretty cartoonish but I wouldn't want them seeing the gay references. I also don't think they'd get the subtext about the romantic feelings/lack thereof between characters. In that sense, I think it's definitely more for older teens and adults. If they tried to show it as a children's show in the US, it would probably get yanked, so I'm glad it's buried on cable.
As for the UK flag issue, I suppose I'm a tad biased since I'm married to an Englishman and we lived in England. All I can say is that I saw that attitude a lot, and having traveled around the UK, I can sympathize with what hubby is talking about. I, personally, though, love the Union Jack so I wouldn't care what flag we displayed.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 8/15/2008 2:14:11 PM
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The final episode was pretty good. It was great to see Captain Jack again since I love his character. Unfortunately, I stopped watching Torchwood after the second episode, which was basically porn. I thought it was a shame, because I had really liked the pilot. I'm glad to that they allowed Gwen to grow more confident. It's a far cry from the way she was in those first episodes. ( I also seem to remember the Capt. teasing Gwen about her Welsh lack of humor. Since the show, like Who, is produced by the Welsh BBC, I was glad to see that they could laugh at themselves. Either that or the writer was English.)
Like Rabstark, I was sorry to see Donna go. When they first announced that Tate was coming in, I wasn't sure if I would like her because I don't like the other stuff she's done. However, she really grew on me over the season. As Rab said, it was nice to have a mature woman on there who could hold her own and who wasn't pining after the Dr. like a teenager with their first crush (yes, I didn't like the third season for that reason, either) . Kind of vaguely reminded me of The X-Files.
That being said, I liked the way they showed her vulnerability by having her think her life was meaningless without being able to travel with the Dr. Great writing there. Almost made me cry. I must say, however, that as a fellow writer I didn't like her brain being dumped at the end, mainly because again that's a cliche that's usually used in sci-fi when the writers can't think of how else to get rid of a character. I think they could have made the show stronger by say, having the Dr. forcibly get rid of her, a la Rose. That would have set up an ambiguity for future episodes as to whether he actually meant it, and would have allowed Donna to have a little more dignified exit. As it was, I thought they made her look silly at the end, and she deserved better. She was a complex character who shouldn't have gotten a simplified ending.
Ah, Rose. Yes, I know that a) she wasn't technically killed off and that b) the Dr. didn't technically force her to go. For the first, I was merely speaking in generalities since they got rid of her character. For the second, the Dr. sure didn't look very eager to have her pining after him again. Although I don't think the Dr. came off very sympathetically, I thought the writers did a great job with Rose. Unlike poor Donna, the scenario with Rose is fraught with ambiguity. Is she better off with the Real or the Fake? When I first saw the episode, I thought it was a cop-out on the Dr.'s part and didn't like it. Now, however, I think Rose may have gotten the better deal. Clearly the Dr. didn't want her, so she would have been miserable if she had kept chasing after him. Now, though, like Martha, she has grown up and moved on with her life and has a chance for real happiness. In some ways I think the companions were more mature than the Dr.
Let's see. I like how the Daleks referenced my earlier point about the Dr. sending other people to die for him. Great writing.
OTOH, I didn't like the fact that Mickey was allowed to remain on earth but not Rose. Yes, I know the writers had to get rid of Rose and that having Mickey in the parallel universe might have been awkward, but it was inconsistent and could probably have been handled better.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 8/15/2008 7:05:37 PM
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Hey Babbred. I have to agree, I LOVED the writing. In fact, at my last writing classes I took, the teacher went over several things that were in the last DR season. Now I'm thinking of buying the last season just to study it. Ok, so it's a writer's thing. :) I never thought of the Dr taking Donna's memories as cliche, but I guess it could be. But at the same time, her mind was melting b/c of the timelord stuff, so he had no choice but take that away. So I wonder if it would be cliched? mmm . . . Anyway, I kept thinking, the Dr told the parents not to talk about the dr to her b/c she could remember and her brain melts. So my old writer's brain went a twirling and all I could think of is how cool it be if she DID remember? A whole new show, imo. :)
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 8/15/2008 7:14:18 PM
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So my old writer's brain went a twirling and all I could think of is how cool it be if she DID remember? A whole new show, imo. :) It'd only be cool if her brain didn't melt with the memories.
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OTOH, I didn't like the fact that Mickey was allowed to remain on earth but not Rose. Yes, I know the writers had to get rid of Rose and that having Mickey in the parallel universe might have been awkward, but it was inconsistent and could probably have been handled better. I did. He didn't have any family left so why not return to earth? It's possible he'll be incorporated in that other show we don't mention or even in later Dr Who episodes.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 8/15/2008 7:38:12 PM
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He didn't have any family left so why not return to earth? It's possible he'll be incorporated in that other show we don't mention ...
Well, that's the rumor. And Martha as well.
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Ah, Rose. Yes, I know that a) she wasn't technically killed off and that b) the Dr. didn't technically force her to go. For the first, I was merely speaking in generalities since they got rid of her character. For the second, the Dr. sure didn't look very eager to have her pining after him again. Although I don't think the Dr. came off very sympathetically, I thought the writers did a great job with Rose. Unlike poor Donna, the scenario with Rose is fraught with ambiguity. Is she better off with the Real or the Fake? When I first saw the episode, I thought it was a cop-out on the Dr.'s part and didn't like it. Now, however, I think Rose may have gotten the better deal. Clearly the Dr. didn't want her, so she would have been miserable if she had kept chasing after him. Now, though, like Martha, she has grown up and moved on with her life and has a chance for real happiness. In some ways I think the companions were more mature than the Dr.
I read this differently than you. I think that The Doctor ultimately both craves and fears close relationships. Humans have a very short lifespan compared to him and surely he must bear that in mind when separating himself from companions. Sarah Jane pretty much hinted that he ruined her for anyone else, and I think it was the same for Rose. Martha was smart enough to walk away herself.
He was very close to Rose and I think they both had romantic feelings for each other - more on her part, but I think that is because chemically Time Lords just don't have a major drive to procreate. Go back and take a look at early episodes of season 2, and the end of season 2. I think the original separation from Rose was very, very difficult for him (Martha certainly thought she was "second best" during her time with The Doctor).
TenDotFive, while having the appearance, the mind, the personality and the memories of Ten, did something that Ten wouldn't have done - he killed the Darleks. We know that The Doctor was involved in the time wars sometime during his eighth or ninth incarnations and that he carried some heavy angst from his involvement (re: first season of the new series). So Ten felt that TenDotFive was too dangerous to unleash on the universe, and he also recognized that having a human physiology, that TenDotFive would age as a human. I think The Doctor was being stoic - not that he didn't want to be with Rose, but that he realized that TenDotFive could be with Rose in a way Ten never could. Taking Rose with him would only cause pain for both him and Rose in the end, whereas she had a chance at happiness with TenDotFive. This is why Ten wouldn't answer her question about what he said to her the last time he left her at Bad Wolf Bay.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 8/16/2008 10:06:59 PM
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I think The Doctor was being stoic - not that he didn't want to be with Rose, but that he realized that TenDotFive could be with Rose in a way Ten never could. Taking Rose with him would only cause pain for both him and Rose in the end, whereas she had a chance at happiness with TenDotFive. This is why Ten wouldn't answer her question about what he said to her the last time he left her at Bad Wolf Bay.
That's how I saw it. I thought the way the resolved it was touching yet slightly disturbing at the same time - what's really going to happen with them? I think they both truly loved each other but it may be hard for Rose to deal with the fact that she got a copy.
I felt really sorry for Donna at the end. In a way, I was even more sorry for her Grandad.
Hey, has anyone here seen Hamlet yet? I know highly unlikely I can see it this year, but for future reference if they do it again, is it "safe"? If it's full of sex and nudity, my mom would most likely not let me see it. I understand that there's a lot of talking about sex but I don't know if there are actually any sex scenes.
Actually, I read Hamlet in one afternoon because of David Tennant.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 8/16/2008 11:21:44 PM
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Hey, has anyone here seen Hamlet yet? I know highly unlikely I can see it this year, but for future reference if they do it again, is it "safe"? If it's full of sex and nudity, my mom would most likely not let me see it. I understand that there's a lot of talking about sex but I don't know if there are actually any sex scenes.
Actually, I read Hamlet in one afternoon because of David Tennant.
You're 16 aren't you? Well, my 15yr old is going to see it with us, and I don't have any qualms at all about her seeing it. It's advertised for being suitable for over 12s so I can't imagine there'd be anything rude.
IIRC Hamlet is more depressing than sexual in content (being a tragedy); it's rather dark.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 8/17/2008 5:40:48 PM
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You're 16 aren't you? Well, my 15yr old is going to see it with us, and I don't have any qualms at all about her seeing it. It's advertised for being suitable for over 12s so I can't imagine there'd be anything rude.
IIRC Hamlet is more depressing than sexual in content (being a tragedy); it's rather dark.
I am, but I'm still not allowed to watch sexual things. Besides, I don't enjoy seeing people roll around a bed on TV anyways, for example.
Hamlet is really depressing, and pretty emotionally engaging. Overall an extremely well-written story though. (:
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 8/19/2008 7:35:32 PM
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I THINK this is good news....
In the Science Fiction section of the US iTunes Music store...
30 of the top 100 purchased episodes are Doctor Who (seasons 1, 2, and 3...4 isn't out yet).
To compare other series in the Top 100 SciFi:
12 episodes of Birds of Prey (just came out on iTunes last week)
10 episodes of Middleman
9 episodes of Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles
6 episodes of Stargate Atlantis
4 episodes of Stephen King's "N" (produced for internet)
4 episodes of Torchwood
3 episodes of Moonlight
3 episodes of Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog (produced for internet)
2 episodes of Primeval
...and I think the rest are one of's...X-Files, FIrefly, the Watchman animated web comic, etc.
I think my count was accurate...but...small white text on black...I'm now seeing spots...
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 8/19/2008 7:44:18 PM
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Also, classic Dr. Who just went on US iTunes last week.
A single "story" is considered a season.
Out of the top 15 "seasons" on the SciFi Top Seasons list, 6 are classic Doctor Who.
New series season 1 is number 16, and new series season 2 is number 17.
In the top 75 out of 100, 19 are classic Doctor Who and 2 are new series (don't ask me why season 3 is not showing, up, maybe it was the first thing people purchased a few weeks ago?).
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In the OVERALL top 100 TV seasons on iTunes....
5 classic Doctor Who stories...and seasons 1 and 2 of the new series at 99 and 100.
Doctor Who has really been a cult thing here in the US, even with the new show, so listing so well in the overall top 100 is IMO really a sign that people are watching, and buying.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 8/23/2008 6:46:44 PM
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This is great!
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Doctor Who, which has been showing on BBC One on Saturday nights, won the trophy for best programme of 2008.
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And it was the second year in a row that both BBC One and Doctor Who won their respective categories.
From here.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 9/7/2008 12:01:53 AM
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Anyone here withdrawing as badly as Zazzypaws and I are? We've been reduced to watching any rerun we can record off of sci-fi and bbca. We've also been coming up with our own Doctor comic strips and story ideas. Sad.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 9/9/2008 10:51:32 PM
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I've also heard that his brother is a preacher. I don't know if it's true or not.
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RE: Dr Who is coming back - 9/10/2008 10:37:49 AM
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I just watched the harry potter movie that had David Tennant starring as a not-so-good guy...strange to see him that way
I miss the doctor 
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