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RE: IT'S ALREADY STARTED FOLKS.. - 11/23/2008 8:35:06 PM
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catfighter
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The Global Poverty Act does not allocate any spending. None, whatsoever, at all. The bill emphasizes cooperation from all United Nations countries, as well as international businesses and NGOs. It calls for better organization of international relief efforts and associations already in place and a review of trade policy and debt relief policy. The bill calls for a US strategy to combat global poverty. It calls for the President to form a plan that includes specific and measurable goals and benchmarks. But the Global Poverty Act does not mandate additional foreign aid commitment.
http://eatthestate.org/12-25/GlobalPovertyAct.htm
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RE: IT'S ALREADY STARTED FOLKS.. - 11/23/2008 9:30:15 PM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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Pat what you linked to I already had found and don't dispute that. What I can't seem to find is this:
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According to President-Elect Obama, we should establish these United Nations' goals as benchmarks for U.S. spending. What are they?
1. The creation of a U.N. International Criminal Court having the
power to try and convict American citizens and soldiers without any
protection from the U.S. Constitution.
2. A standing United Nations Army forcing U.S. soldiers to serve under U.N. command.
3. A Gun Ban on all small arms and light weapons --which would repeal our Second Amendment right to bear arms.
4. The ratification of the ' Kyoto ' global warming treaty and
numerous other anti-American measures.
These are the things your links are missing.
You are correct, TaoPoohBear (although not too nice about it) found where the problem came from:
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Here's the Millennium Development Goals.
Sounds pretty Christian to me!
All the scary stuff you seem to be refering to is the United Nations Millennium Declaration from September 8th 2000. You might recall that 9/11 was in 2001, and that alot of noble ideas (even by the U.N.) got thrown out the window since then; For example we're currently in Iraq under a U.N. Mandate.
The United Nations Millennium Declaration has eight chapters and key objectives, adopted by 189 world leaders during the summit:
Values and Principles
Peace, Security and Disarmament
Development and Poverty Eradication
Protecting our Common Environment
Human Rights, Democracy and Good Governance
Protecting the Vulnerable
Meeting the Special Needs of Africa
Strengthening the United Nations
NOW, you might be able to find your boogeymen in there, HOWEVER -
(and I'm ignoring your so called worries about Kyoto)
There's only 1 - Strengthening the United Nations - that is a concern.
The Declaration is not the Millennium Development Goal, the Millennium Development Goal is a part of the Declaration; The Senate bill is in support ONLY of the Millennium Development Goal, not the entire Millennium Declaration.
How do I know this? I read YOUR links!
Sorry for my mistake.
Pat
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RE: IT'S ALREADY STARTED FOLKS.. - 11/24/2008 8:54:53 AM
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Who are the majority of the people who fight the war or who have enlisted in the Iraqi war, may I ask, is it the rich people or the poor people? I suspect it's the poor people who enlist in the war, and furthermore, I suspect the reason poor people, and not rich people, fight this war is because they get something in return (unless you want to argue that poor people are more patriotic than rich people) from the government (they're not fighting this war for free). Now, I'm sure these people who fight the war would much rather work than to fight a war and that, to me, is evidence that the problem doesn't have all that much to do with laziness (they're not fighting this war because they're lazy). If poor people were so lazy, poor people wouldn't be the majority of people enlisting in this war (for the last 7 years or whatever). I remember seeing on the news that when the Iraqi war started, army recruiters first started targeting somewhat low income areas and when they couldn't get very many people recruited from those areas, they moved to even lower income areas and found it easier to recruit people. If poor people were so lazy, they wouldn't be the easiest people to recruit into a war.
I believe this assumption is false. I believe most people who join the military are not poor. I know that my friends children who joined did not do so for any money. They chose to make the military their profession or they chose to do it because they believed it was their duty to do so.
http://www.heritage.org/research/nationalsecurity/cda05-08.cfm
This is a study conducted 10 years ago. I will see if I can find a more recent one.
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RE: IT'S ALREADY STARTED FOLKS.. - 11/24/2008 11:51:21 AM
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ORIGINAL: P31W
I believe this assumption is false. I believe most people who join the military are not poor. I know that my friends children who joined did not do so for any money. They chose to make the military their profession or they chose to do it because they believed it was their duty to do so.
http://www.heritage.org/research/nationalsecurity/cda05-08.cfm
This is a study conducted 10 years ago. I will see if I can find a more recent one.
I was referencing the Iraqi war specifically. Ten years ago was before the Iraqi war (at least as Bush started it). I already gave more recent statistics and it turned out that what I saw on the news years ago was a bit misleading. Still, it would be interesting to do a comparison of the percentage of people in the military before the Iraqi war and the percentage of people who enlisted after the Iraqi war started (in terms of their demographics).
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RE: IT'S ALREADY STARTED FOLKS.. - 11/24/2008 12:27:52 PM
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I could give you a tour of the laziness that keeps many of the poor in the poor house in any number of towns and cities in sourthern louisiana.
I don't doubt that some people are lazy and that laziness is the cause of some unemployment, but the gab between the rich and the poor is growing (the middle class is disappearing) and I don't buy this notion that it's a result of the middle class suddenly deciding to become lazy. The middle class (or those who would normally belong to the middle class) are probably just as willing to work now as they were before the gap was this big. Something else is causing this and as much as those who benefit from this growing gap would like to shift the focus away from their misbehavior and blame everything (and everyone) else, I suspect an important cause of this growing gap is their misbehavior.
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RE: IT'S ALREADY STARTED FOLKS.. - 11/24/2008 12:38:08 PM
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Sorry for my mistake.
No big deal. The UN things we are going to start signing though are of concern. The UN Convention of the Rights of the Child is one I expect to see go through with some interesting clauses to it. : /
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/k2crc.htm
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RE: IT'S ALREADY STARTED FOLKS.. - 11/24/2008 12:49:35 PM
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I don't doubt that some people are lazy and that laziness is the cause of some unemployment, but the gab between the rich and the poor is growing (the middle class is disappearing) and I don't buy this notion that it's a result of the middle class suddenly deciding to become lazy.
The reason that I see the middle class staying the same or going back is because of materialism and the lack of desire or motivation to inprove their skill level.
Instead of saving their money and investing it and doing without they spend it. The only way to move from the middle class to the higher class besides getting an extremely expensive education or being some pop star is to save your money, spend less than your peers and invest that money into income producing assets.
I watch too many middle class people think it's important for their children/themselves to have TV's with cable, cell phones, computers with internet service and so on. Too many also decide "as in make the choice" to have these things over medical insurance, life and/or disability insurance. One accident and the family is thrown into poverty.
I see many reasons why the middle class is not progressing. Most have to do with "lifestyle choices" and lack of purdence.
Too many middle class people and many wealth people I know failed to realize that if you don't invest for the future your current earning then in the future your lifestyle must decrease. Credit allowed many middle class people to spend their "future" yesterday and "today" they are having to pay for that.
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RE: IT'S ALREADY STARTED FOLKS.. - 11/24/2008 2:47:46 PM
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ORIGINAL: P31W
I watch too many middle class people think it's important for their children/themselves to have TV's with cable, cell phones, computers with internet service and so on. Too many also decide "as in make the choice" to have these things over medical insurance, life and/or disability insurance. One accident and the family is thrown into poverty.
Those who have mismanaged the banking industry and who have mismanaged GM and Ford and all these other companies have all of the stuff you mention and yet they still have millions on top of that. They ask for things like bail outs and government intervention to manipulate the market into funding them (instead of allowing the free market to choose what to fund without manipulating the government to intervene) and that's how they attain their wealth. Then they turn around and blame everyone and everything but themselves for the increasing gap between the rich and the poor. First they blame it on laziness, but if that's refuted, they go on to say it's a lack of savings, if that's refuted, they make up other excuses and hope that something sticks. They come up with every possible excuse but they never want to take responsibility for their misbehavior (why should they, they get rewarded for their misbehavior, it increases their wealth). Just like the government claims that the reason they take take away our health freedoms is to protect us, but the real reason governmental officials choose to do so is because of existing conflicts of interest involving financial gains (otherwise, they would ban cigarettes, a substance that has killed millions, but every step of the way their actions are in favor of big business and pharmaceutical corporations).
The cost of medical insurance and health care are increasing, not decreasing, and that's partly why the gap is becoming larger. Part of the increase is a result of the increase in the prices of specialty drugs.
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Specialty drugs — often sold by biotech companies, and used to treat complex conditions such as cancer — are some of the most expensive medicines on the market. As it turns out, their already high prices are rising much faster than inflation, and even faster than the prices of other prescription drugs.
The Most Expensive Drugs Are Getting Even More Expensive
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The United States spends more on health care than any other country in the world and the health care costs continue to rise. Government figures show that in 2004 health care spending reached 1.9 trillion dollars, equaling 16 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product.
U.S. Health Care: World's Most Expensive
Those wealthy entities that benefit from charging high prices are part of the reason for the increasing gap. The fact that there is such a huge gap indicates that the wealthy entities can afford to charge lower prices, but they choose not to because they want to keep the status quo. They influence the government (ie: by lobbying it) to help them maintain their status quo, instead of allowing the free market to choose what companies survive and which ones don't.
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WASHINGTON, April 1, 2007 — Manufacturers of pharmaceuticals, medical devices and other health products spent nearly $182 million on federal lobbying from January 2005 through June 2006, a Center for Public Integrity study of disclosure records shows. Power of Many
Of that total, drug companies and their trade groups spent most of it, or $155 million, lobbying on a variety of issues ranging from protecting lucrative drug patents to keeping lower-priced Canadian drugs from being imported to the United States Drug interests employed about 1,100 lobbyists to do their bidding in each of the past two years.
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Big Pharma’s drug lobby machine (the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America) increased its financial arm-twisting of Congress by 25% in 2007 – in an effort to ward off competition and lock in bogus psychiatric medication sales to children.
http://forums.christianity.com/m_3795161/mpage_2/tm.htm (Post 30)
Instead of allowing the free market to determine whether or not they want to fund these entities, they lobby for government intervention to manipulate the market into funding them (if they didn't get anything in return, they wouldn't spend so much money lobbying). The amount of money that pharmaceuticals have been putting into their lobbying efforts has been increasing, and this is partly responsible for the increasing gap between the rich and the poor. They manipulate the market to fund them by influencing government intervention instead of allowing the free market to choose what to fund without government intervention, then they turn around and blame the social problems they cause on everyone and everything else.
Most of the stuff I post, for instance, on the FDA hardly ever makes it on mainstream television. The reason for this is probably that the entities who gain from the corruption they cause unethically suppress such information from being distributed. The corruption of the wealthy is strongly responsible for the increasing gap between the rich and the poor and I don't expect corrupt entities to take responsibility for their misbehavior (I would like them to, but I don't think they would).
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RE: IT'S ALREADY STARTED FOLKS.. - 11/26/2008 12:50:38 PM
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TaoPoohBear
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ORIGINAL: Pat-rebel_lady
You are correct, TaoPoohBear (although not too nice about it) found where the problem came from:
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Here's the Millennium Development Goals.
Sounds pretty Christian to me!
All the scary stuff you seem to be refering to is the United Nations Millennium Declaration from September 8th 2000. You might recall that 9/11 was in 2001, and that alot of noble ideas (even by the U.N.) got thrown out the window since then; For example we're currently in Iraq under a U.N. Mandate.
The United Nations Millennium Declaration has eight chapters and key objectives, adopted by 189 world leaders during the summit:
Values and Principles
Peace, Security and Disarmament
Development and Poverty Eradication
Protecting our Common Environment
Human Rights, Democracy and Good Governance
Protecting the Vulnerable
Meeting the Special Needs of Africa
Strengthening the United Nations
NOW, you might be able to find your boogeymen in there, HOWEVER -
(and I'm ignoring your so called worries about Kyoto)
There's only 1 - Strengthening the United Nations - that is a concern.
The Declaration is not the Millennium Development Goal, the Millennium Development Goal is a part of the Declaration; The Senate bill is in support ONLY of the Millennium Development Goal, not the entire Millennium Declaration.
How do I know this? I read YOUR links!
Sorry for my mistake.
Pat
I apoligize for the tone, but I must tell you -
As a Democrat, it's been awful hard to swallow all the abuse of our party's candidate!
FYI, before I enlisted in the Army, I worked for the Reagan campaigns (in California) in ''76 & '80. Good guy, knew his limitations and was committed to fixing the problems within our government. No insidious agenda, just honest effort.
I believe the same about Obama; And I'm a devoted Democrat because of people like him.
Sorry if I'm a little touchy. I'll work on that for '09.
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RE: IT'S ALREADY STARTED FOLKS.. - 11/30/2008 12:36:19 AM
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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear
I apoligize for the tone
Apology accepted
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, but I must tell you -
As a Democrat, it's been awful hard to swallow all the abuse of our party's candidate!
And I have to tell you - being force feed what your candidate/President-elect Obama is preparing to feed the American people, I just can't swallow it.
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FYI, before I enlisted in the Army, I worked for the Reagan campaigns (in California) in ''76 & '80. Good guy, knew his limitations and was committed to fixing the problems within our government. No insidious agenda, just honest effort.
Yes, he was, I totally agree.
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I believe the same about Obama; And I'm a devoted Democrat because of people like him.
Sorry, I don't agree with you on Obama.
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Sorry if I'm a little touchy. I'll work on that for '09.
Guess we all are a bit touchy, and need to work on it for '08' and forward.
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RE: IT'S ALREADY STARTED FOLKS.. - 11/30/2008 3:45:27 PM
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It's a heart issue... No laws, judgment, or punishment... Just pray about and move on...
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