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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/22/2008 7:05:50 AM
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b. Would anyone desiring to become a disciple of John not have been baptized?
Sure. I'm not certain what you think their response indicated but becoming a disciple of John was not what baptism indicated. The baptism indicated a person's repentance. Whether or not a person became a disciple of John was another matter altogether. Baptism meant that you agreed with him and that you repented of your sins.
Not everyone got to be a disciple of a teacher. That was a special privilege.
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/22/2008 2:38:19 PM
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I'm only pointing out that the KJV is vague about Apollos' knowledge of Jesus. The KJV never says Apollos didn't know about Jesus. It is only vague about it. The Greek word Kurios could refer to Jesus or the Father God. It is often used to refer to Jesus in other places.
There is nothing inconsistent with interpreting Acts 18 as saying that Apollos knew about Jesus Christ, just as the other translations say explicitly.
Uhm you do know that translated bibles are translating the KJV? Translation is just a way for people to understand what the Bible is saying (KJV) in a way that we can understand, but if your like me you would pray that God gives you devine wisdom and understanding before you read the bible and you wont need to look at a translated bible.
There is a KJV thread in the Bible folder, so I'll just comment briefly. Crosswalk management would like us to debate translation issue over there if we want to debate questions about the KJV.
But you're wrong. Many other Bibles, including the NIV and the NET Bible I use ARE NOT rephrases derived from the KJV. The NET Bible, NIV, NASB are all translations from the original languages--Greek for the NT and Hebrew for the OT.
Honestly does it really matter as long as noone is trying to change what the bible is saying it or interpreting it the way they think it is who cares if its translated or not. I jus prefer to read the amplified bible, half is kjv and the other translated.
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/22/2008 2:45:43 PM
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b. Would anyone desiring to become a disciple of John not have been baptized?
Sure. I'm not certain what you think their response indicated but becoming a disciple of John was not what baptism indicated. The baptism indicated a person's repentance. Whether or not a person became a disciple of John was another matter altogether. Baptism meant that you agreed with him and that you repented of your sins.
Not everyone got to be a disciple of a teacher. That was a special privilege.
You've got it backwards. The question was, "Would anyone desiring to become a disciple of John not have been baptized?" You're saying that it is possible that some were baptized, but were not disciples. But the question remains, could he have truly been a disciple of John and yet not have been baptized?
If one chooses to truly follow the teachings of someone, then he submits to that which the teacher calls for. Also, when Jesus gave the "great commission" He said, "...go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you." It seems apparent that Jesus saw being baptized as part of the discipling process; why would John see it differently?
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/22/2008 2:45:59 PM
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Did you know that in Mathew 3:5-6 says that they were baptized and confessed their sins. Thats on of the purposes of baptism. It says , Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around Jordan went out to him (john the baptist). And were baptized by him in the Jordan,confessing their sins.
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/22/2008 4:39:35 PM
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You've got it backwards. The question was, "Would anyone desiring to become a disciple of John not have been baptized?" You're saying that it is possible that some were baptized, but were not disciples. But the question remains, could he have truly been a disciple of John and yet not have been baptized?
Sorry. If I misunderstood your question, it was because I was in a hurry. As soon as I got off the internet, I had to leave for work.
To answer your question, no. I don't believe anyone could be a disciple of John without being baptized. Being baptized was for all of the Israelites but obviously some didn't.
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If one chooses to truly follow the teachings of someone, then he submits to that which the teacher calls for. Also, when Jesus gave the "great commission" He said, "...go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you." It seems apparent that Jesus saw being baptized as part of the discipling process; why would John see it differently?
There would be discipleship in two senses. Some disciples wandered the countryside with John and/or Jesus, without permanent home or security. The other sense would be if someone maintained their own home and occupation but lived a lifestyle pleasing to the teacher they followed. It would be the former I was referring to in my earlier post.
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/22/2008 4:40:42 PM
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Honestly does it really matter as long as noone is trying to change what the bible is saying it or interpreting it the way they think it is who cares if its translated or not. I jus prefer to read the amplified bible, half is kjv and the other translated.
Yes, it matters.
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/22/2008 4:52:04 PM
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Here are a few questions for anyone willing to enlighten me:
1. Why did John the Baptist baptize?
a. Was baptism an expected response to his preaching?
I'll give my views, subject to change if I find better reasoning.
Why did John baptize?
I see John's baptism as a sign that a person had repented. God called the nation to repent and get right with God. We see numerous such patterns in the OT. Sometimes, people were called upon to act upon ceremonial washing to symbolize the cleansing of their sin. John's baptism provided a link between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. It was something familiar to the people and yet very new, making a way for the new covenant.
The term "baptism unto repentance" named its purpose. It was to identify a person who was repenting. Later, baptism came to symbolize Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. Its purpose evolved as new revelation became available.
2. Why was Jesus baptized?
a. Why did He feel this was necessary? I don't know the answer to either. "To fulfill all righteousness" doesn't mean much to me other than being an act of obedience to God the Father.
b. Did God "endorse" this act by Jesus?
I believe God the father did endorse it.
We can discuss some of the other questions later. Discussing them right now would be take up a lot of my time.
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/22/2008 10:44:24 PM
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I do not understand how you can relate any of this to the thief on the cross. First he was a Jew and under the Old Covenant. The New Covenant did not begin until Pentecost quite some time after the thief's death. He was covered by the sacrifices of the priesthood and his sins were rolled forward and cleared by the shedding of the blood of the Meschiach (JESUS). His death has no relevance on this discussion at all, no more than any other Old Testament JEW.
Hi gcgrimes...I explained all of this in post 108. We are all saved under the terms of the new covenant.
All that every have been saved or will be saved are saved by the blood of the Lamb. This is the eternal covenant between the Son and the Father before the foundation of the world.
Abraham was saved under the new covenant and just being a Jew under the terms of the Abrahamic covenant did not bring one to salvation. Circumcision never saved anyone...it is only by faith that anyone is saved...Jew or Gentile.
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/22/2008 11:09:56 PM
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I do not understand how you can relate any of this to the thief on the cross. First he was a Jew and under the Old Covenant. The New Covenant did not begin until Pentecost quite some time after the thief's death. He was covered by the sacrifices of the priesthood and his sins were rolled forward and cleared by the shedding of the blood of the Meschiach (JESUS). His death has no relevance on this discussion at all, no more than any other Old Testament JEW.
Hi gcgrimes...I explained all of this in post 108. We are all saved under the terms of the new covenant.
All that every have been saved or will be saved are saved by the blood of the Lamb. This is the eternal covenant between the Son and the Father before the foundation of the world.
Abraham was saved under the new covenant and just being a Jew under the terms of the Ibrahim's covenant did not bring one to salvation. Circumcision never saved anyone...it is only by faith that anyone is saved...Jew or Gentile.
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I understand that and have no argument with the concept; however, I disagree with the argument as regards to the salvation of the Jews. The Jews were saved by Faith in the sacrifices of the priesthood. Those sacrifices rolled their sins forward each year. Their faith was in the fact that the Meschiach would come and make their forgiveness permanent. It was in this belief that they believed that the Meschiach would set the captives free. The Dead under the Old Covenant were placed into Paradise (Abraham's Bosom) awaiting their time to be released and go to heaven with the Savior. It is this event that occurred after Jesus Death and in congruence with his resurrection, at this popint the Dead under the Old Law were taken by the Christ to Heaven, emptying the Paradise side of Sheol. The thief fell under this dispensation. He was not saved by grace but by his genetic legacy as one of God's people and his faith was in the future arrival of the Savior as prophesied in the Old Testament. Our salvation today in by grace through faith (which according to scripture consists of belief and works since FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD). Belief, Repentance, and Baptism is our obedience to his commands for conversion- following the Narrow Way of Discipleship is our Path to Salvation.
There is a difference.
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/22/2008 11:30:35 PM
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gc...why did God tell those under the law that they would not enter His rest? Are you telling me that circumcision or the law saved any Hebrew?
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/22/2008 11:31:22 PM
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b. Would anyone desiring to become a disciple of John not have been baptized?
Sure. I'm not certain what you think their response indicated but becoming a disciple of John was not what baptism indicated. The baptism indicated a person's repentance. Whether or not a person became a disciple of John was another matter altogether. Baptism meant that you agreed with him and that you repented of your sins.
Not everyone got to be a disciple of a teacher. That was a special privilege.
You've got it backwards. The question was, "Would anyone desiring to become a disciple of John not have been baptized?" You're saying that it is possible that some were baptized, but were not disciples. But the question remains, could he have truly been a disciple of John and yet not have been baptized?
If one chooses to truly follow the teachings of someone, then he submits to that which the teacher calls for. Also, when Jesus gave the "great commission" He said, "...go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you." It seems apparent that Jesus saw being baptized as part of the discipling process; why would John see it differently?
So the question is, "Do you believe we have to be baptized in order to go to heaven?" And you obviously think we have to be, which is fine, but I have a question. A person who has never accepted Christ into their lives, but has heard the gospel all their lives, but always rejected it.......comes down ill, cant get out of the bed due to this illness and accepts Christ, but they are unable to be baptized, when this person passes away, is he/she not going to heaven?
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/23/2008 12:49:09 AM
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gc...why did God tell those under the law that they would not enter His rest? Are you telling me that circumcision or the law saved any Hebrew?
Bob
Circumcising male children was a sign of obedience among Jews and had nothing to do with Salvation per se. It was strictly a mark establishing a child as belonging to the children of Abraham. The law damned the Hebrews because no one could successfully keep it. That is why there had to be animal sacrifices to roll forward those sins, and animal sacrifices could not atone for sin, it could only move it forward for the sacrifice of the Savior (Christ) to permanently atone for all those sins. So I gues my answer to that is NO -- neither circumcising nor the law ever saved any Hebrew.
I believe I have made my point clear, but you seem to be a bit hung up on circumcism and the Law. How exactly do you believe the faithful Hebrews to have been freed from Paradise?
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/23/2008 12:57:50 AM
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b. Would anyone desiring to become a disciple of John not have been baptized?
Sure. I'm not certain what you think their response indicated but becoming a disciple of John was not what baptism indicated. The baptism indicated a person's repentance. Whether or not a person became a disciple of John was another matter altogether. Baptism meant that you agreed with him and that you repented of your sins.
Not everyone got to be a disciple of a teacher. That was a special privilege.
You've got it backwards. The question was, "Would anyone desiring to become a disciple of John not have been baptized?" You're saying that it is possible that some were baptized, but were not disciples. But the question remains, could he have truly been a disciple of John and yet not have been baptized?
If one chooses to truly follow the teachings of someone, then he submits to that which the teacher calls for. Also, when Jesus gave the "great commission" He said, "...go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you." It seems apparent that Jesus saw being baptized as part of the discipling process; why would John see it differently?
So the question is, "Do you believe we have to be baptized in order to go to heaven?" And you obviously think we have to be, which is fine, but I have a question. A person who has never accepted Christ into their lives, but has heard the gospel all their lives, but always rejected it.......comes down ill, cant get out of the bed due to this illness and accepts Christ, but they are unable to be baptized, when this person passes away, is he/she not going to heaven?
I am sure that this comment will be very unpopular; however, if someone does not meet the criteria for salvation, then how can we believe that they will be saved. And you can point out the loving God comments to your hearts content, but Yahweh has not changed since the Old Testament and in the Old Testament men were instructed not to touch the ark of the covenant. This became pretty clear when David was improperly transporting the Ark and one of the Guards touched it and died for his effort of attempting to protect the Ark. Yahweh God does not like people to disregard his instructions. Baptism is a part of the salvation process-- He that believeth AND is baptised shall be saved. He that doesn't obey these commandments shall be touched by a just God. If you do not follow his instructions you shall die- in my opinion once and for all eternity. You cannot expect God to make exceptions just because we don't like the rules.
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/23/2008 7:03:53 AM
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Baptism is a part of the salvation process-- He that believeth AND is baptised shall be saved. He that doesn't obey these commandments shall be touched by a just God. If you do not follow his instructions you shall die- in my opinion once and for all eternity. You cannot expect God to make exceptions just because we don't like the rules.
Let's test this and see if you really believe it. OK?
As for myself, I believed and I have been baptized. Therefore, according to you, I am saved, right? No repentance and no confession are necessary.
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/23/2008 8:13:04 AM
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So the question is, "Do you believe we have to be baptized in order to go to heaven?" And you obviously think we have to be, which is fine, but I have a question. A person who has never accepted Christ into their lives, but has heard the gospel all their lives, but always rejected it.......comes down ill, cant get out of the bed due to this illness and accepts Christ, but they are unable to be baptized, when this person passes away, is he/she not going to heaven?
That's totally up to God. I'm inclined to say yes, they will go to heaven. But God allowing someone like that into heaven without baptism doesn't mean that those who can be baptized but don't, will be allowed into heaven without it.
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/23/2008 10:08:43 AM
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So the question is, "Do you believe we have to be baptized in order to go to heaven?" And you obviously think we have to be, which is fine, but I have a question. A person who has never accepted Christ into their lives, but has heard the gospel all their lives, but always rejected it.......comes down ill, cant get out of the bed due to this illness and accepts Christ, but they are unable to be baptized, when this person passes away, is he/she not going to heaven?
That's totally up to God. I'm inclined to say yes, they will go to heaven. But God allowing someone like that into heaven without baptism doesn't mean that those who can be baptized but don't, will be allowed into heaven without it.
No No No. It can't be both ways. It is either a requirement for salvation or it is not.
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/23/2008 11:10:53 AM
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That is why there had to be animal sacrifices to roll forward those sins, and animal sacrifices could not atone for sin, it could only move it forward for the sacrifice of the Savior (Christ) to permanently atone for all those sins. So I gues my answer to that is NO -- neither circumcising nor the law ever saved any Hebrew.
GC...animal sacrifices saved no Hebrew either. It was faith that saved. Animal sacrifices were only a picture of the saving blood of Jesus Christ.
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The Dead under the Old Covenant were placed into Paradise (Abraham's Bosom) awaiting their time to be released and go to heaven with the Savior.
I agree with the above state but where we disagree is the method of salvation. I say the saving factors were faith and the blood of Jesus Christ...thus the saving grace of the new covenant.
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/23/2008 11:40:20 AM
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So the question is, "Do you believe we have to be baptized in order to go to heaven?" And you obviously think we have to be, which is fine, but I have a question. A person who has never accepted Christ into their lives, but has heard the gospel all their lives, but always rejected it.......comes down ill, cant get out of the bed due to this illness and accepts Christ, but they are unable to be baptized, when this person passes away, is he/she not going to heaven?
That's totally up to God. I'm inclined to say yes, they will go to heaven. But God allowing someone like that into heaven without baptism doesn't mean that those who can be baptized but don't, will be allowed into heaven without it.
No No No. It can't be both ways. It is either a requirement for salvation or it is not.
Qtman is right. It can't be both ways so this is what I believe concerning the "Deathbed" scenario that is so commonly presented:
When God makes a commandment, there are no exceptions unless he gives an exception such as, "Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." The exception is repentance. But if he gives no exception, there isn't one. So if someone despises God all of their life, and fights and resist him, then when they are about to die, they truly repent, the God that I serve is powerful enough to either heal them to where they can be obedient to his command, or at least allow them enough time to be obedient before they die.
HOWEVER, I contend that in MOST cases, not all but most cases, it is too late. God said his spirit will not always strive with man. You cannot expect to resist God all of your life and do what you want to do and then at the last minute when you realize you are moments away from turning into barbeque think that you can just say I'm sorry and everything will be ok. It doesn't work that way.
In Proverbs 1, God lets us know that if you keep resisting, there will come a time when he will give up on you. Not only will he give up on you but when your fear comes upon you, (Thinking you are about to go to die or go to hell brings fear) he is going to laugh at you and mock you. I don't care who doesn't believe that, it's in the bible. This can be applied to the "Deathbed" repentance. Don't think for one second that you can come to God when you feel like it. You had better answer the call of mercy while God is still pleading with you.
Now I believe that God is a rewarder of them that DILIGENTLY seek him as recoreded in Hebrews 11. Only God knows the heart of a man and it's his choice who he saves from a deathbed and who he doesn't. He can raise the dead to his glory and then allow them to be baptized if he so chooses.
The question that normally follows when I give that explantion is someone says, " I had a friend or relative who did that. Are you saying they are in hell?" I am not saying that anyone is in hell. I cannot judge a man's soul. Only God can give judgement like that. I am only stating what I believe the bible teaches. You make your own judgements and conclusions.
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/23/2008 11:50:20 AM
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That is why there had to be animal sacrifices to roll forward those sins, and animal sacrifices could not atone for sin, it could only move it forward for the sacrifice of the Savior (Christ) to permanently atone for all those sins. So I gues my answer to that is NO -- neither circumcising nor the law ever saved any Hebrew.
GC...animal sacrifices saved no Hebrew either. It was faith that saved. Animal sacrifices were only a picture of the saving blood of Jesus Christ.
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The Dead under the Old Covenant were placed into Paradise (Abraham's Bosom) awaiting their time to be released and go to heaven with the Savior.
I agree with the above state but where we disagree is the method of salvation. I say the saving factors were faith and the blood of Jesus Christ...thus the saving grace of the new covenant.
Bob
Where is this paradise you speak of. I can't find that place in the Bible. My Bible teaches me that Paradise is Heaven. Jesus told the thief on the cross "Today you will be with me in Paradise." Now where did Jesus go. He did not go to some holding room. He arose and ascended into Heaven to sit at the right hand of God the Father. So if Jesus went to Heaven so did the thief or maybe jesus was just pulling his leg. I certainly don't believe the latter. So when Jesus tol the thief he would be in Paradise with Him He must have been talking about heaven.
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/23/2008 12:06:11 PM
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Where is this paradise you speak of
I think it is most likely Abraham's bosom (Paradise); a refuge for the righteous where the OT Saints would abide until the blood of Christ would provide them with full salvation, when their spirits would ascend with Christ to the Father. Christ did not ascend to the Father for at least 3 days after death because He said don't touch me because I have not ascended to the Father yet.
Now, there you have my full and incomplete knowledge regarding the subject. 
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/23/2008 2:47:23 PM
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ChristFollower21
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GrahamCracker
You know what, I have my opinion and you have yours. I prefer a type of bible and so do you. Case closed! No more talking about this subject. Thats not what I put this blog up here for. Agreed?
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/23/2008 2:55:46 PM
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ChristFollower21
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Baptism is a part of the salvation process-- He that believeth AND is baptised shall be saved. He that doesn't obey these commandments shall be touched by a just God. If you do not follow his instructions you shall die- in my opinion once and for all eternity. You cannot expect God to make exceptions just because we don't like the rules.
Let's test this and see if you really believe it. OK?
As for myself, I believed and I have been baptized. Therefore, according to you, I am saved, right? No repentance and no confession are necessary.
What! what are you saying that its not necessary to repent and confess your sins. Thats what part of baptism means in Mathew 3:5-6 (correct me if im wrong). Wasnt Jesus death on the cross enough that if we confess our sins and believe that he is Lord then we shall be saved. Sometimes I regret putting this blog up. Baptism is a symbol. It is not part of salvation process. Its like doing it in remebrance of our Savior. If thats what your trying to say then your saying if a loved one was on their death bed and gave their life for the Lord and didnt have time to get baptized well I guess they didnt claim salvation. Now do you really think that person wouldn't go to heaven? Wheare in the Bible does it say baptism is required?
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/23/2008 4:44:39 PM
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Qtman
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ORIGINAL: ChristFollower21
GrahamCracker
You know what, I have my opinion and you have yours. I prefer a type of bible and so do you. Case closed! No more talking about this subject. Thats not what I put this blog up here for. Agreed?
CF21 a couple of things. First Grahamcracker has consistently said salvation was not necessary. His post that I think you are referring to is in response to something someone else said.
Secondly this is a thread and not a blog. Just a wording thing. But you can't close it. You started the thread and you will get opinions that vary. Just because you do not agree with the opinion does not mean you can take your marbles close the thread and go home. This is not even a democracy. The thread can't be closed by vote or mutual agreement either.
BTW I was the first to respond to your question and I think you agreed with what I said.
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RE: Do you believe that we have to be baptized in order... - 12/23/2008 5:30:18 PM
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gcgrimes
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quote:
ORIGINAL: GrahamCracker
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Baptism is a part of the salvation process-- He that believeth AND is baptised shall be saved. He that doesn't obey these commandments shall be touched by a just God. If you do not follow his instructions you shall die- in my opinion once and for all eternity. You cannot expect God to make exceptions just because we don't like the rules.
Let's test this and see if you really believe it. OK?
As for myself, I believed and I have been baptized. Therefore, according to you, I am saved, right? No repentance and no confession are necessary.
Semantics and splitting hairs is not why I come to this forum. You obviously are aware of the multitude of scriptures that inform us of what we need to do to be saved. It is truly regrettable that some monk somewhere probably threw out the letter that spelled out all the steps chronologically because obviously they were available in other letters more eloquently. However, if something is in the Bible just once does that mean that we are not required to obey that command?
Personally, I believe we will be responsible for studying God's Word and being knowledgeable of exactly what is expected of a disciple of Christ and if we are told to do something even once we should obey. That's what being a disciple means is one who follows the instruction of his Master. Do you believe you should follow the teachings of Jesus or are you one of the free-willers that strode the saw dust aisle, got your fire insurance or your Get out of Hell Free Pass and now are trying desperately to get others to agree with you even though you still feel there is something missing in your life- like a true submissive relationship with your Savior?
Remember even the Demons believe and tremble.......
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