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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/8/2009 11:06:01 AM
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jodavi
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The reason that we are uncomfortable with Kate's finger wagging at her husband is because our spirit recognizes that her role is skewed. She cannot count on him for the nurturing, protective leadership that he was meant to provide for her. In that vacuum, she has recognized that SOMEONE has to do it, so it falls to her. How can she submit to a man who doesn't step up? I don't mean to get into a discussion about Marital roles (there's another forum for that) and I also don't believe that men and women have to subscribe to traditional tasks in the home. A man can be a stay-at-home dad and still be a leader in his home! God intends for a home to be a partnership between two adults, not between a grown child and a mother-figure.
I totally agree with your comment. I have seen a lot of their shows and yes...Kate is vocal and that other stuff but you can see Jon from the beginning not stepping up with being the head of the family and Kate even pointed it out in some occasions and all he would do is roll his eyes. Kate would also show some moments where all she wants is a hug from him and he walks away from her. I just pray that they will seek counsel. And with or without an affair...Jon has no business being in a car with a single woman (or married woman..unless she's your sister or your mother) late at night ...that's just absolutely wrong.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/8/2009 1:24:14 PM
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I agree with the analysis about Jon, but not quite for the same reasons. If he has problems in his marriage, then he should have spoken up about them long ago and worked through it with Kate. Instead, their worldview has contributed to the problem. When a person thinks they have to be charge all the time, then they may get frustrated at what may be perfectly legitimate criticism from the follower. It then becomes very easy to simply throw in the towel and say, "Fine! You do it then!" and then sit back passively/agressively while the other person steps up. The follower then resents having to do so and it becomes a vicious cycle.
I have a strong personality and have certainly put my foot in my mouth in the past. And Lord knows my husband and I have had stressful things happen to us, from unemployment to hospitalization. We view marriage as an equal partnership, however, with neither one of us having any desire to lead the other. Therefore, when bad things come, we work through them together. In all the years of our marriage, and despite all the bad things, I can honestly say we've never had a conflict between us.
The fact that John is cavorting with other women while away from his wife says everything. It doesn't matter if nothing physical happened; the fact that he has a desire to be with women in compromising situations says it all. This man is seriously about to crack and probably will end up having a physical affair if nobody intervenes to help both him and Kate.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/8/2009 1:30:04 PM
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Sorry that the link to the msnbc article no longer works, but his story is in other places too. Basically it said this: John does admit to being with other women in bars, but denies having an affair. He says that he has friends who are women and also admits to having bad judgment about staying out so late with them in the bar.
The Gosselins said that they will address this issue when the new season begins.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/8/2009 2:32:02 PM
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I really don't mean to judge-- I have no right. I also would blame neither. When a system is broken, the wheels are bound to come off the bus. Hopefully, this will jolt them into prioritizing their relationship. I would imagine that 8 kids would make someone focus on getting through the day and lose sight of the relationship that made all of this possible. Kids grow up and leave-- we are left with each other. If there isn't more to the relationship than the kids, then that's when you hear about empty nesters divorcing after 20+ years of marital "bliss."
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/8/2009 10:09:21 PM
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Well it just seems to get worse. It is now being reported that it just might be Kate who strayed before Jon. No one but them know the whole story but it is obvious something is happening and I just feel for the kids.
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Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/8/2009 10:47:03 PM
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I've chosen to ignore the media on this issue.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/9/2009 5:12:57 PM
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4IMPersuaded
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Well it just seems to get worse. It is now being reported that it just might be Kate who strayed before Jon. No one but them know the whole story but it is obvious something is happening and I just feel for the kids.
Oh, boy. That is a tragedy for everyone involved. Hopefully, they'll seek help and they'll come out of this stronger than they went in. It is very sad-- IF it is true. It is very sad if it isn't true-- rumor mongers in the tabloids love this stuff.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/9/2009 6:44:56 PM
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The first problem is why is a man or woman with a family of 8 kids out in bars? I mean isn't that a bit immature in and of itself?
It's clear if he is out bar hopping with other women there are problems in the marriage regardless of how the media slants it.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/9/2009 7:15:24 PM
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The first problem is why is a man or woman with a family of 8 kids out in bars? I mean isn't that a bit immature in and of itself?
It's clear if he is out bar hopping with other women there are problems in the marriage regardless of how the media slants it.
That is very true. Except for the possibility of Kate cheating I haven't really listened too much to the media as much as watching Kate doing the interviews. Sometimes it is more what isn't said instead of what is said the explains some things.
I don't know I would think if this was happening to my family I would be home working on the problems instead of out doing interviews and promoting my book. I am sure the Today Show, Larry King Live, and Rachael Ray would make it without Kate being there.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/9/2009 11:18:12 PM
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True, but I imagine that there are contractual obligations with both a book and a reality show.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/12/2009 9:56:37 AM
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I'm catching up with season 3 on DVD.
Just saw Kate slap Jon in the face.
And then try to make him say it was a "love pat".
I've noticed her hitting him other times, in interviews, whapping him on the leg, hard enough to be heard as well as seen.
This is why I say I have a problem with her attitude. Can you *imagine* what would happen if Jon slapped her in the face and passed it off as a "love pat"? Or what people would say if either Duggar did something like that? But for Kate, it's OK. 
I know what you mean. Early on in our marriage, DH and I had some, um, ways of communicating that weren't healthy. We were able to purge those habits, but thankfully, they weren't recorded for the world to see! It's funny how unhealthy habits can become normal in the absence of someone to say, "hey, maybe you should take a closer look at why you do that."
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/12/2009 10:36:57 AM
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I really disagree with this show. I've never watched a full one. I think they are essentially exploiting their children.. In some states this show would be illegal. It's unfair that those kids have to have their lives on tape. Can you imagine the teasing when the tuplits get to school.
Apparently Mady and Cara are already being teased. Then imagine Mady's issues when it comes to being labelled the bad twin and having her parents complaining about her on camera. It's difficult enough for kids to be ACTING, look at all the child stars with issues.
Plus you have to wonder is each child getting paid a salary, is money being put away for them. I somehow doubt it.
Not to mention the rumors if true, that they are going to churches and asking for money. They probably needed some money awhile ago. But right now this family doesn't. They reportedly make 75K an episode.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/13/2009 3:20:24 PM
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I agree that Kate's behavior towards Jon has been all too obvious, but why don't more people get that Jon exhibits major passive-aggressive behavior? It can be really maddening to live with someone like that...but they are each responsible for their own behavior and both of them are in the wrong. And the kids will be the ones to suffer.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/13/2009 3:25:15 PM
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I agree that they both make poor choices, and treat each other badly. No argument there. They both need to get help, and end their public lives.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/13/2009 3:26:36 PM
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I've been watching more of the show lately (not sure which season as they are reruns) and I've gotta say they seem to be worse with how they interact. They're both contentious in their own way and it's not pretty. I feel bad for the kids because it's stressful to live in that kind of atmosphere. Not to mention what kind of example it's setting. But then lots of couples have problems and aren't able to hide it from the kids. The big difference is they (normal people) don't have to worry about the entire nation seeing it.
I just read this article on MSN. I hope it's not true. I just feel so sad for the whole family. At the bottom of the article is a link to how much they make per episode and what kind of freebies they've received. Also, they claim that Jon's old boss finally confirmed the rumor that Jon was fired because he was spending more time on a "quest" for freebies than working.
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The first problem is why is a man or woman with a family of 8 kids out in bars? I mean isn't that a bit immature in and of itself?
It's clear if he is out bar hopping with other women there are problems in the marriage regardless of how the media slants it.
I agree with Buckifn. No married person has any business hanging out in bars with singles of the opposite sex, especially if they are a Christian. That's just wrong.
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4Impersuaded: True, but I imagine that there are contractual obligations with both a book and a reality show.
I'm sure they have contractual obligations. They can't just quit the show and appearances etc. when they feel like it. They'd probably be in a whole heap of legal trouble if they did.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/13/2009 6:39:46 PM
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I hope they use this as a wake up call to circle the wagons so to speak and at least try to step out of the public eye.
I wish the media and everyone else would just leave them alone. I'm sure whatever they are dealing with (affairs or no affairs), it is only made worse by everyone knowing about it. I don't care if they put themselves out there for this kind of scrutiny or not. People need to have some decency and leave them alone.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/13/2009 6:50:53 PM
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4IMPersuaded
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I just read this article on MSN.
I just read the article... the saddest part is the last line-- neither Gosselin want to work on the marriage. I hope it isn't true, too.
I was also stunned by the difference five years has made for Kate based on the photos! Wow. I look better now than I did when my babies were born, but I haven't had the kind of major transformation she's had. She went from looking like a gal that I might see at church to a bona fide celebrity! Not judging, just surprised.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/13/2009 7:11:00 PM
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I hope they use this as a wake up call to circle the wagons so to speak and at least try to step out of the public eye.
I wish the media and everyone else would just leave them alone. I'm sure whatever they are dealing with (affairs or no affairs), it is only made worse by everyone knowing about it. I don't care if they put themselves out there for this kind of scrutiny or not. People need to have some decency and leave them alone.
I agree!
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/25/2009 9:52:06 PM
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I watched the season finale, and poor Jon looks exhausted and not from just the kids and so does Kate. I really do hope they get help. does anyone know if they are saved or go to church? They need God so much. Jon looks like he's ready to throw in the towel. i think it's horrible that the media dragged them through the dirt, but that's what they do best. Drag dirt. I really hope that they decide to end the show soon, I think it will help them get back on track and away from the media.
I think it's worse that folks are jealous b/c the family gets 'perks' that they don't have. Sad.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/25/2009 9:59:46 PM
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I'm watching the season 5 premier...and choking back tears so many times.
I hope they stop the show, go into serious hibernation with their family, and let God rebuild them. I also hope Jon is able to find a job he can enjoy and find fulfilling...I think men need that, and God MADE them to need that.
My heart is just breaking for them. These are real people, who I don't think knew what they were getting into when they started this. These are real kids, and a real couple, and I hope they can rediscover what God wants them to be as a family, without all the stupid media circus.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/25/2009 10:50:37 PM
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I did not watch it but I heard it was very bad and people who have had very bad times in their married recognized some of the body language. That is sad that their family is falling apart like that. I wish they would cancel the show and go somewhere private to work on their family.
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RE: Jon and Kate Gosselin - 5/25/2009 11:26:14 PM
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I've chosen to ignore the media on this issue.
I agree. It's almost impossible to tell what is going on in the Gosselin home as strangers, and quite frankly, it's none of the public's business. The only reason their domestic troubles are being splashed all over the media and gossip rags is to exploit other peoples' troubles. It's pathetic, especially when small children are involved.
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I'm watching the season 5 premier...and choking back tears so many times.
It was sad.
Especially disturbing were the two men filming the 6 kids' b-day party from a distance; if you have to spy on a children's birthday party with a long lens, that is pretty sick.
As for Jon and Kate (I watch the show from time to time), I felt their most telling statements during interviews were each saying "I'll take care of my kids" instead of "We will take care of our kids." I know it's hard to peer into their minds, but Jon and Kate's body language hinted at both being pretty far apart emotionally.
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