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Vow of poverty - 7/22/2009 7:13:01 PM
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psalm100
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A vow of poverty is taken when a person willingly decides to do without luxeries and most bare necessities to identify with people who are poor. Have you known anyone to take a vow of poverty? Is this common in the christian faith? Can you give any additional info about the vow of poverty?
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RE: Vow of poverty - 7/22/2009 7:17:36 PM
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I just read the autobiography of Dorothy Day. I'm not sure she used this terminology 'vow of poverty' but it is definitely the life she chose nonetheless. The book was The Long Loneliness.
Isn't this what those who join a monastery vow? I remember reading in the Rule of Benedict that they gave up all worldly possessions yet Benedict was wise and gave some more than others because of their need. Wisdom indeed.
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RE: Vow of poverty - 7/22/2009 7:24:51 PM
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I am studying world religions in one of my classes. Several religions practice the vow of poverty such as Muhammad in the Islamic faith.
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RE: Vow of poverty - 7/22/2009 7:57:12 PM
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I am studying world religions in one of my classes. Several religions practice the vow of poverty such as Muhammad in the Islamic faith.
Muhammed did not live a life of poverty. Have you actually read and studied the Qu'ran and the Hadith?
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RE: Vow of poverty - 7/22/2009 7:59:00 PM
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I know of people who are minimalists, but they do not cut back to relate to the poor. It is more of refocusing on what is important in life. TV, nice cars, etc. are possessions that mean nothing. Being a minimalist reduces the bent toward materialism and allows one to be more giving.
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RE: Vow of poverty - 7/22/2009 8:04:12 PM
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Earthless, According to my textbook Living Religions 7th ed. by Mary Fisher it explained that Muhammad lived in poverty and was glad to do so. My textbook doesn't going in to fine details about Muhammad, but basically gives a good view of the Islamic Faith.
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I am studying world religions in one of my classes. Several religions practice the vow of poverty such as Muhammad in the Islamic faith.
Muhammed did not live a life of poverty. Have you actually read and studied the Qu'ran and the Hadith?
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RE: Vow of poverty - 7/22/2009 8:18:13 PM
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Earthless, According to my textbook Living Religions 7th ed. by Mary Fisher it explained that Muhammad lived in poverty and was glad to do so. My textbook doesn't going in to fine details about Muhammad, but basically gives a good view of the Islamic Faith.
As a former in-depth studier of Islam, as someone that studied Islam in the most respected Masjids in NYC, Chicago and Saudi Arabia.. as someone that completed Hajj in 1996.
I can say that Islam's prophet had what he needed and then some compared to his contemporaries.
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RE: Vow of poverty - 7/22/2009 8:25:26 PM
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Earthless, I won't argue with you about this. I am not interested in studying the Islamic faith in depth as I am solely bent on the fact that there is one God: Jesus Christ-He's the only name whereby one can be saved.
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RE: Vow of poverty - 7/22/2009 8:28:14 PM
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Earthless, I won't argue with you about this. I am not interested in studying the Islamic faith in depth as I am solely bent on the fact that there is one God: Jesus Christ-He's the only name whereby one can be saved.
Amen, just remember many of those secular textbooks are a bit biased in their reporting and or they gloss over a lot of facts about the religion they're describing.
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RE: Vow of poverty - 7/22/2009 9:34:36 PM
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Hello psalm100
I have heard of vows of poverty. Some churches teach it as a godly practice. I suppose it's in how you define the poor. To me a poor person is one that doesn't know God and doesn't see his need of God. That person may have many material possessions but yet be spiritually bankrupt.
Look at it this way. Our Father owns the cattle on a thousand hills. We are his heirs through Jesus Christ. Don't you think that our loving Father wants us to own many cattle as well?
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RE: Vow of poverty - 7/22/2009 9:36:07 PM
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Don't you think that our loving Father wants us to own many cattle as well?
Not always and not necessarily. God does not promise modern day believers (you and me) financial wealth and physical health. Jesus states His believers will face quite the contrary...
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RE: Vow of poverty - 7/22/2009 9:45:03 PM
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Not necessarily so. Take for example the downturn in the economy, believers as well as unbelievers have lost their jobs. I am not saying that God can't save our jobs, but the downturn has affected us all in one way or another. I believe the key is not to put your faith in your job, but in the living God. God can and does provide for His children in miraculous ways, although not in ways that we want. This is just one example. As human beings we are assured that we are going to have trials and tribulations.
The vow of poverty takes one's focus off of themselves and onto to God and the needy. There are millionaire christians, but you would never know they were millionares. They may dress modestly and live in modest homes. They use their money to feed and clothe the poor. They go without all the luxuries and extras so that others can be fed and clothed.
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Hello psalm100
I have heard of vows of poverty. Some churches teach it as a godly practice. I suppose it's in how you define the poor. To me a poor person is one that doesn't know God and doesn't see his need of God. That person may have many material possessions but yet be spiritually bankrupt.
Look at it this way. Our Father owns the cattle on a thousand hills. We are his heirs through Jesus Christ. Don't you think that our loving Father wants us to own many cattle as well?
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RE: Vow of poverty - 7/23/2009 9:04:20 AM
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I understand the vow of poverty is a requirement for religious life in the Catholic church (EOC also???) covering priests, monks and nuns.
As I have known a couple of RCC priests, and my SIL has a good friend who is attending Catholic University in DC as a ministerial student, Yes I have known people who have taken this vow.
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RE: Vow of poverty - 7/24/2009 9:37:19 AM
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Hi psalm 100
Your term "vow of poverty" and giving up bare necessities seems to be very different from your later example of wealthy christians living modestly so they can give to the poor. Two very different things in my opinion and I don't think the former is what God expects of us at all. Wikipedia defines poverty as a shortage of food, clothing, shelter, and safe drinking water.
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RE: Vow of poverty - 7/24/2009 7:46:30 PM
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Hi psalm 100
Your term "vow of poverty" and giving up bare necessities seems to be very different from your later example of wealthy christians living modestly so they can give to the poor. Two very different things in my opinion and I don't think the former is what God expects of us at all. Wikipedia defines poverty as a shortage of food, clothing, shelter, and safe drinking water.
I guess my example can be one in the same. Both examples give up worldly pleasures and material things. Still remember there are poor christians all around the world yet their rich because of their inheritance in Jesus Christ.
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